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[ironhead7544]

Stuff happens. I once had a new revolver that would not fire reloads. Factory worked fine. The reloads worked fine in several other revolvers, including the same model. Took it to a local gunsmith. Transfer bar was a bit too thin. Changed it and the revolver worked fine with the reloads.

Components can vary. Too thin of a rim could cause problems. I had a box of 357 Magnum ammo that would keyhole every round. It was only 20 rounds but I was not happy. Tolerances can stack.

I would check the firing pin protrusion on the revolver in question. Might be minimal.

 

[old&slow]

Just got back from the range and I am extremely upset.
. How could I possibly trust this ammo?

I've never used Buffalo Bore ammo. Don't know much about it.
And there could be many, many reason for the ammo not going Bang. Faulty firearm, faulty primer, manufacturing problem , storage,, etc, etc.
But, if I had the problems with any ammo that Mr. HarrishMasher had ,,, I would not be using that product again.

" fool me once, shame on you.. fool me twice, shame on me. "

Thanks for the information..

 

[Old_School]

If you read any of my posts above in full you would see I did more than my share of due diligence. I had failures to ignite in 2 other guns. A brand new 686PC and a 386PD. It is the ammo. I only tried 10 rounds out of the 20 in the box, and three failed.

2 in my Night Guard 1 in my 686PC and then tried all 3 in my 386PD, none fired.

I'm confused. In your original post, you stated that you first ran the rounds through your 386. Then you tried the duds in your 65 Ladysmith with no success, then through your 686 (again with no success). So which account is correct?

If the OP is the correct order, I'm agreeing with some of the other posters...maybe the 386 is hitting the primer just hard enough to damage the primer pellet without ignition, preventing the rounds from firing in other handguns.

It's happened to me a few times over the last 10 years or so. I wonder if primers became less sensitive, or the priming pellets became more brittle after manufacturers changed their priming formulas to eliminate lead styphnate? I didn't experience this 30+ years ago!


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[jrandyh]

If your cabinet fails I wouldn't likely die if it failed. It's people like you that give businesses a bad name with your haughty attitude.
JR

 

[Arik]

Boge-What you said about Harrish was ugly.

l have seen BB ammo but disliked it because the packaging reminds me of cheap makeup.

l shoot ''Dad's Ammo''. The quality and price cant be beat !

So you don't like it because of something it came packaged in? Would you feel better if they used a fancy box with glossy artwork that would cost you a few dollars more. Personally I toss the boxes so why pay more money for a container that goes immediately into the trash? One box for all ammo and one graphic is a great idea

 

[barking_dog]

OP, if it is such bad ammo that you would never have your life depend on it, why would you sell it? If you sell it to someone else, are you not perpetuating the same behavior as BB? Even more so since you know it is defective ammo.

 

[Arik]

Exactly. I would expect to get what I pay for. This ammo is obscenely expensive, and should be tested beyond what others do. For such a small company, there sure are a lot of bad experiences out there on the net.

Kinda childish in my opinion. If they test every round thay would mean they shoot every round thus not selling any.

 

[at_liberty]

Kinda childish in my opinion. If they test every round thay would mean they shoot every round thus not selling any.

How about we don't bully the OP?

 

[Arik]

How about we don't bully the OP?

It's not bullying. Think about it, how can a company check ALL ammo for proper function? There won't be any to sell. Same as a food company tasting all their cookies. Some things are a one time use product, you can check lots but not each individual product.

And quite frankly it's absurd to think and expect perfection from everything ever made or would be made. Impossible! Let's be a little realistic!

I carry Speer Gold Dots. So far all those I've tried worked great but I don't know how good those the ones in my mag are. Could be total garbage, could have bad primers. I could have bought the one lot that QC missed. It's 50/50 until I actually shoot it, at which point I'd have to buy more and they can possibly be bad.

 

[zelda]

Arik--l picked up a box of 380BB and it rattled like a box of rocks. The box was the size of Winchester 100 round value pack in 380. For only 20rds they cost MORE than a 100 rd value pack. Not an exotic bullet either,lt was 105gr LRN +P and 2 bucks a POP... l will say it again, "Packed like cheap makeup.Big box,big price, very little product"

 

[HarrishMasher]

It's not bullying. Think about it, how can a company check ALL ammo for proper function? There won't be any to sell. Same as a food company tasting all their cookies. Some things are a one time use product, you can check lots but not each individual product.

And quite frankly it's absurd to think and expect perfection from everything ever made or would be made. Impossible! Let's be a little realistic!

I carry Speer Gold Dots. So far all those I've tried worked great but I don't know how good those the ones in my mag are. Could be total garbage, could have bad primers. I could have bought the one lot that QC missed. It's 50/50 until I actually shoot it, at which point I'd have to buy more and they can possibly be bad.

By doing a simple random test of every batch of primers. Do you think I am saying to shoot every round of ammo? Do you think I am that stupid?

I have been shooting weekly for 20 years. I have built at least a dozen ARs, 2 22lr match pistols from the ground up, I do my own trigger jobs, I have owned 100s of firearms. I have taken apart every single one of them. I am far from a novice and know my way around the firearms world as well as anyone.

If you are going to sell the most expensive ammo out there and make astounding claims about it, you should back it up with the absolute highest level of quality control so things like bad primers and loading wrong bullets doesn't happen. I buy 4 boxes of their ammo and have both of these issues. That's a problem, and it shouldn't happen with their prices and claims.

 

[HarrishMasher]

I'm confused. In your original post, you stated that you first ran the rounds through your 386. Then you tried the duds in your 65 Ladysmith with no success, then through your 686 (again with no success). So which account is correct?

If the OP is the correct order, I'm agreeing with some of the other posters...maybe the 386 is hitting the primer just hard enough to damage the primer pellet without ignition, preventing the rounds from firing in other handguns.

It's happened to me a few times over the last 10 years or so. I wonder if primers became less sensitive, or the priming pellets became more brittle after manufacturers changed their priming formulas to eliminate lead styphnate? I didn't experience this 30+ years ago!


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Two in the Night Guard, one in the 686. Then all three in 3 pistols. It is the ammo, not my guns. Why do you find it so hard to believe they let stuff like this out of the door at BB. Google it lots of problems like mine with BB ammo.

 

[Arik]

They do do random tests but all that shows is that those rounds used worked. It's possible that your 3 were the only bad ones. Anything is possible. I get it, you shoot and build ok...great, no one said you were wrong only that you happened to get some bad rounds. Like I said before....people always complain about Winchester White Box ammo. Squibs, bullet set back, bullets loaded upside down, brass deformed, inconsistent pressures. All that and I have been shooting them for years without a single issue.

 

[Old_School]

Two in the Night Guard, one in the 686. Then all three in 3 pistols. It is the ammo, not my guns. Why do you find it so hard to believe they let stuff like this out of the door at BB. Google it lots of problems like mine with BB ammo.

Maybe it is the ammo. Why not send it back to Buffalo and let them determine why you're having problems? If 3 rds were duds, there should be 1 or 2 more in that batch.

I just naturally shy away from $2/rd boutique "round of the week" ammo. I'm not real big on $1/rd SD ammo, either. Magic bullets have never been my thing.


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[Ben_hutcherson]

Does BB use RP cases? Any I have seen were loaded with Starline brass.

Larry

Most that I've seen is in Starline cases, although I've not shot that much of it(I'm not a "rich guy").

With that said, I have a box of 38 special standard pressure "FBI Loads" that are loaded in Winchester cases.

My guess is that-with the component shortages that have come and gone over the past year and a half, the boutique companies(including BB) probably use whatever brand components they can get.

 

[390ish]

I hope the OP never buys a carton of Remington golden bullet .22s.


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[bigl1911]

I believe everything I read on the internet.
There is an unemotional way to look at this. The OP has either a legit complaint with a bad batch of ammo, faulty equipment or a faulty testing process. Put the spear back please guys - this is not a personal attack just trying to digest all this and find a solution that makes common sense.
I am a novice gun guy. I have several handguns and fire a few hundred rounds every week at the local range. I don't carry so my concern out there in the field is very different than say an LEO. I've never used BB most of what I shoot is variety of new in box from many manufactures. I have found certain guns do not like certain ammo. If I did carry or need a defense handgun there are two I would use based on my experience shooting thus far- SW 642 as carry and my Glock 17. Both of these guns have never failed to fire and always go bang bang regardless of what I put in them. Here is a question: Let's assume two things - First the OP has a legit complaint with the ammo and for those of you that carry you want the gun to go bang not click. How do you deal with this? I have to assume with every maker of ammo there will be a bad batch that finds its way through QC doesn't matter how expensive the product is there will always be a failure from time to time. Nothing is perfect. If I carried I would buy a known brand and batch of one type of ammo, test the run in order to make sure I have reduced risk of failure and pack accordingly. Does this make sense? How do you LEO out there deal with this? OP sorry you are disappointed and I can understand your frustration but the universe is filled with imperfection. I have found the biggest element in the universe is stupidity and it never surprises me. Like the old saying only thing we can count on is death and taxes. If I were in your shoes my first call would be BB and discuss the problem politely and unemotionally. If you remain unhappy find a better solution and move on with a smile. However, my question remains: You LEO guys - how do you deal with a guaranty your firearm will go bang every time? Is the guaranty a backup?

 

[John Rus]

Here is snipet from BB website, I think it would be wise to check out your guns or have a gunsmith check it out before ruling out your guns not being the problem.

"3.     S&W model 629:

Around 2006 S&W made several runs of their model 629 (44 mag.) iterations with too short a firing pin. Because of customer complaints, S&W soon realized the error and corrected it and replaced the firing pin in any revolver thus plagued, if the customer sent it in. However, you would not believe the sleep I lost with emails and phone calls about how my “crappy” Buffalo Bore Ammunition was causing FTF’s in some person’s brand new model 629. A lot of folks would say to me; “you must have gotten a bad batch of primers” or “my gun is brand new, so it can’t be a problem with my new gun”.  Again, if the ammo does not go off, it must be the fault of the ammo………….

 

4.     Trigger/action “jobs”:

I long ago lost count of the hundreds of emails or phone calls I’ve received over the years complaining about an FTF with my (Buffalo Bore) ammo. My first question is normally, “has your gun had a trigger or action job” or “are you shooting a Redahwk”? I am usually told something to the effect of, “well yeah, but what does that have to do with it” or “I bought it used, so I don’t know if it has an action job”. Folks, the most common and fastest way for a gunsmith to lighten your action or trigger pull is by reducing your mainspring strength and you’d be surprised just how often this will make your revolver “primer specific”, meaning your revolver will now fire some brands of primers reliably, but on other brands, you’ll get an occasional FTF. All US made primers are currently made within industry tolerances, so when you gun won’t fire one, guess what that means about your particular gun?"

John.

 

[sellersm]

Here is what I am going to do. I have two boxes of 19H 357 Barnes Low Flash coming on Tuesday or Wednesday. I will shoot 10 rounds out of each box, every other round in the tray. Or maybe I will just shoot every single round. I will use my 686PC and my 586 L Comp that is coming on Tuesday as well. Either way I will report back.

But in all honesty, given all the research I have done on BB today and all the failures to ignite that have been reported, and all the folks who have complained about getting different bullets than advertised loaded in the cases, I don't know that I will ever use the ammo again. What are the chances I bought 4 boxes of BB and randomly had both of these problems...1) failures to ignite and 2) mystery bullets instead of the advertised Gold Dots. My guess is it is just not that random, but more common than you think. Just not cool for $2 a pop.

I missed the part where you're going to call BB and discuss this with them? Ignoring what many of us have said here in this thread isn't exactly going to endear you to this forum...

Stuff happens. Call them and give them an opportunity to work on it, believe me, they want to know if they've got some bad primers!!

 

[regalsc]

Go easy on OP. He got 2 386's that had bad timing 1 with a loose top strap blast shield. He tried to get a special group buy on a gun that fell through. He's had some bad luck & now this with the BB ammo. I guess the more stuff you keep getting the law of averages works against you for things being the way they are supposed to be.