More No Lock revolvers coming!

DaTerminat'r said:
. . . A revolver is a tool, and its appearance doesn't matter. It's not a jewelry, oh lord . . .
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Smith didn't think that way back when the Model 27-2 was made in 1970.

Luckily, no one since this gorgeous gun was made ever used its original magna stocks either for a hammer!:rolleyes:

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Nahhh, you are welcome to buy all the Hillary Hole, pimple faced, bead blasted guns you want.

My guns are more to me than just "tools," but I respect your opinion. Happy hammering, just please don't ask to borrow my guns to do it with! LOL

Tom
 
When the people of a company stop taking pride in the product for it's own sake, they are in trouble. It isn't about beating the other guy, it isn't about "we have to make a good product or we will lose customers", it's about "I am what I do, this is what I do."

How the management of a company like S&W could inflict The Hole on their product surpasses my understanding. I guess they just aren't that into the guns.
 
I can't see all the complaining about a US gunmaker that employs American workers and still makes a good product. If you want to miss out on all the new S&W's over a stupid IL that can be removed in 10 minutes, and MIM parts (which other gunmakers like Kimber also use) then so be it.....

If you want to own older S&W's but turn your back on the company than you're being short sighted.....most of the people who "won't own a new S&W" probably own plastic crapola from Croatia and Brazil but they'll be damned if they don't jump on the new S&W bashing bandwagon.

Good thing most S&W buyers don't feel the same way and Smith is coming out with new models all the time......when will the "hate the IL and MIM" crowd be happy, when S&W revolvers are made in Japan?:eek: New Winchester, anyone......?
 
I just picked up a 627-PC yesterday -- my first Smith & Wesson! I agree with you all about the lock and wish mine didn't have it. Installing the plug is the next best thing to not having the lock in the first place. Any suggestions re where I can pick up a plug and whether I'd need a gunsmith to install it? I live in northern California. Thanks very much.
John
 
::: a IL that can be removed in 10 minutes :::
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Speaking for myself, my pistols have to be suitable for carry, and the person who says what I can carry also says - if the manufacturer deems something to be a "safety" - then I need to keep it to carry that pistol. This is strictly a "current sue and jury issue" here. Even though the IL is known to fail, and can be replaced so easily....

So, the 3 1/2" eight shooter .357 that I like so much, has the IL. And I have been shooting the dickens out of it to see what happens. Or I just carry the old family five screw six shooter instead; or an autoloader.

But a tuned 627 Pro, without the IL, would be nice. A lockless vesion of my PC 3 1/2"er would be better.
 
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When the IL goes bye bye I have three on my list that will be purchased and my older ones go back in the safe.
 
If they were smart they would make the whole Classic Series, 17, 18, 58, etc. no lock...

Keep the lock models for states that need them and slowly get more and more No-ILs...

Bob
 
JohnFM said:
I just picked up a 627-PC yesterday -- my first Smith & Wesson! I agree with you all about the lock and wish mine didn't have it. Installing the plug is the next best thing to not having the lock in the first place. Any suggestions re where I can pick up a plug and whether I'd need a gunsmith to install it? I live in northern California. Thanks very much.
John
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I've put 4 in my guns and if you can strip a S&W down it is not hard...

Bullseye Smith is who you are looking for...look over in the classified...

Bob
 
How would removing the IL make the gun not suitable for carry? Who's decision is that? The IL is not a "safety" it's a de-activation device for storage. Would a prosecutor try to say that the revolver should have been locked in your holster?:confused:

If that's the case, if I shoot an attacker tomorrow with my Ruger Service Six or 64-3 I use for CC, does that mean I will get sued for not having a lock installed in it 20-30 years after it was made:rolleyes:

I hear that LEO's can special order new S&W's without the lock, a LEO on the forum here got a lock-less Centennial ordered direct from S&W by his dealer after he submitted documentation proving he was a sworn Police Officer. So, S&W has the ability to make them without IL's if they choose, you just gotta let them check the block that "this gun was sold to a Law Enforcement officer or agent and thus we are not liable for it not being "locked" if something happens"....

The plug is a great product, for my 10-14 I chose to leave the lock-less hole in the side though......it makes a great place to stick the straw on a can of Action Blaster....
 
"If you want to miss out on all the new S&W's over a stupid IL that can be removed in 10 minutes, and MIM parts (which other gunmakers like Kimber also use) then so be it.....

If you want to own older S&W's but turn your back on the company than you're being short sighted..."



I'll happily miss out on a product that I particularly don't want. Doesn't matter if it is made here or in Japan.

Customer short-sidedness is only one point of view in this instance.

Another point of view is that the company is short-sighted rather than the fans of the no-lock Smith & Wesson revolver. The company that has been made aware that the lock is not universally appreciated and yet has persisted in turning its back on a goodly portion of its customer base by continuing to make revolvers with unwanted locks.

As long as the company can continue to afford lost sales due to undesirable features then I can continue to afford quality used examples of older, more traditional Smith & Wesson revolvers configured to suit my needs and desires.

And nope, no Croatian or Brazilian plastic may be found in the handgun collection here. No Kimbers either. Only classic Colt and Smith & Wesson steel along with a dab of good British steel in the form of Webley may be found. Well there's a little Belgian steel to be found, in the form of a Hi-Power.
 
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Obviously S&W isn't bringing out new revolver models due to lack of selling any......

I'll bet a few of the "older S&W fans" have new IL and MIM wheelguns stashed in the back of the safe, that they sneak to the range when no one is around, as if anyone is that concerned about it.......I had my 64-7 at the range this summer and some guy was crowing about how much he "saved" getting a Taurus 85 over a new S&W 60 and the Brazilian paperweight locked up solid after less than 50 rounds, I helped him out, it had a b/c gap that was too tight and it opened up after it cooled, I let him shoot the rest of his ammo through my 64-7, complete with intact IL, and he loved the gun, so hey, maybe I recruited another "new" S&W fan.....

Overall I think it's a lot of fuss over nothing, S&W added an IL in order to keep making guns because we live in a society where people will sue you for looking at them wrong.....they went to MIM to keep production costs down so a new 686+ doesn't cost $1400...S&W is a business and they don't care that a small segment of shooters are upset because the revolvers aren't made "the old way" anymore, it's adapt and survive or go into bankruptcy, hey what's the MSRP on a new Colt Python, oh wait that's right.............S&W also makes a bundle on M&P and Sigma pistols, and the various AR15 type rifles they make, call me an optimist but I'm glad they still make revolvers and are adding to their lineup, rather than crapping all over them.
 
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Just bought two new 642 No Lock revolvers. Only way to encourage S&W to come out with more No Lock guns is to buy all the new no lock guns they produce. Money talks.
 
Got the call from my FFL on X Mas Day."If you want ,you can come and pick up your gun today".The Warden just laughed as I peeled out of the drive.Was back in 20 minutes.Just in time for the my kids to arrive.642 no lock via Buds.What a great country we live in.
 
Of course, this move would have to happen a year after I bought my M&P 340!!!

Someone asked earlier about the LCR having an IL. They do, btu you have to remove the grips to get to it. I don't have much love for the LCR, but if you must put a lock on a gun, that's a great place for it.
 
S&W is constantly improving their products, why not just redesign the lock so that it is under a grip panel if you use traditional grips but relieve the factory grips for the keyhole. For those who don't want it it will cost you $18.95 to $89.95 for a set of rubber or wood grips that covers up the hole, for those who want to use it keep the factory grips or buy grips cut for the lock.

There are few gun companies as terrified of lawyers as Ruger, if they can hide the hole under the grips, S&W could. I thnk the term "lawyer trigger" was invented to describe a Ruger trigger pull, and have you looked at the billboards on their barrels and the "safety features" like on the MKIII?!
 
i have to ask, do ruger SP101's and GP100's have locks?
 
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