MT PET PEEVE WITH THE CCW PISTOL CENTER BLADE TRIGGER SAFETY
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max503
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There's a time and a place for everything. I don't think being a paint store clerk justifies the risk.
LVSteve
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You mentioned two Berettas there. They are notorious for having a DA pull that starts in the next zip code. Certain CZ models are not a lot better.
That's why I put "D" Springs in most of my Berettas.
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I have small hands and found that after about a 500 round familiarization, I had no problems with the double-action pull on a Beretta 92F I bought new at least thirty-five years ago. I suspect some don't take time and practice to become comfortable with a pistol design. Mine remains a straight-out-of-the-box gun.
Can you provide a little detail on the "next zip code" pull that you experienced with your Beretta?
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I briefly had a Shield Plus with the trigger 'dingus'.
I was doing some dry fire where I would quickly practice my draw and fire strokes. I found that maybe one time in ten I would find my finger too high on the trigger as I got my grip and the trigger would be locked due to the safety not being depressed. It generally required releasing pressure and trying again - just sliding the finger down under pressure didn't work. I didn't have this problem with the hinged triggers.
No more shield plus, though I do like my M&P 2.0 with a Timney trigger.
I was doing some dry fire where I would quickly practice my draw and fire strokes. I found that maybe one time in ten I would find my finger too high on the trigger as I got my grip and the trigger would be locked due to the safety not being depressed. It generally required releasing pressure and trying again - just sliding the finger down under pressure didn't work. I didn't have this problem with the hinged triggers.
No more shield plus, though I do like my M&P 2.0 with a Timney trigger.
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I don't like light triggers, I prefer dao. The trigger safety doesn't bother me at all. I'm guessing it came about when leather and fabric holsters were more common than kydex. If the material folds in just a hair to push on mainly the front corner of the trigger it has done its job.
I have three Glocks and I am OK with the triggers. They are not great, but still easy to shoot and totally reliable. I keep hearing bad things about the Sig 320 inadvertent discharges and injuries. You don't hear about a lot of that with Glocks. Think that is why so many police departments use them. In my opinion the best trigger I ever had on a centerfire, striker pistol was the first-generation Walther P99AS. The anti-stress trigger allowed you to chamber a round, de-cock the striker and holster the weapon. There was no manual safety, but the long smooth double action first shot allowed for reasonable accuracy and made firing the gun a deliberate and safe action. If you wanted better accuracy than "double action," you could quickly cock the striker with a round chamber by retracting the slide with a short pull to put the trigger in "single-action" mode. So, there were three trigger "modes" possible with the pistol. The long pull double action that cocked the striker and released it all in one trigger action, a two stage single action mode with a much lighter pull, and a short single action light pull providing the most accuracy. It sounds complicated, but it worked. Sadly, I don't own the Walther anymore, because I gave it to my oldest daughter who shoots it and swears by it. Walther made the last edition P99AS, the original Pierce Brosnan "James Bond" Walther in 2024. I sure do miss it.
I've never met a trigger I couldn't pull.
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Double-action works very well if the user will spend the time to become accustomed to it by practice shooting, maybe five hundred rounds. No disadvantages whatsoever and very safe.
Definitely agree. The best trigger safety is your head controlling the finger attached to it.
This trigger question is why I'm a huge hammer-fired gun fan. Ultimately, if the trigger is pulled, it's going to fire. I'd rather have a physical indication that process is occurring (the hammer) than waiting on the edge of forever. Helps to promote peace of mind too by thumbing the hammer down while reholstering.
Or if you carry in Condition 1 (cocked & locked), you can put your thumb over the firing pin stop and block the hammer just in case everything else goes wrong.
I often question things that sometimes don't get much air time or maybe thought about often. Maybe because of my OCD, maybe because I always notice details and maybe just because most people go through life not being bothered by the same things that annoy me.
The center blade safeties on many of the new breed of carry gun triggers just bother's me - one of the reasons is because they tend to pinch my finger when pulling the trigger sometimes, maybe because they can potentially get jammed by a piece of debris but most of all because to me they are essentially a useless piece on the trigger that gives you nothing more than a false sense of safety and security!!
If you inadvertently have your finger on the trigger while reholstering, unholstering , etc. and the gun gets caught or pushed forward it will STILL go bang! As a drop safety I see no real reason for it as all the modern designs have drop safeties built into them. If the trigger gets caught on something and gets a strong enough force applied to pull it, it will pull the center blade safety anyway. So the REAL point of it is...... ???? More than likely, just a feel - good, do - nothing lawyer devise for law suits or anti law suits.
And...... that is one of the major reasons I so much prefer the Sig P365 over many of the clones by other manufacturer's - it has NO center trigger blade. It has an internal drop safety and they offer the P365 with and without a manual safety. I carried mine for 3 years without the manual safety feature and then added one - they came ready for installation even in the beginning of production. To me that is a REAL safety that is efficient, easy to operate and actually makes the pistol quite safe with a round in the tube.
So again, I am more than likely one of the few here whom it bothers, but just figured if I'd post it and see if there are any other people who dislike it as well.
I 100% agree. I won't own a plastic pistol with a dingus in the trigger. Plus its ugly too.........Thankfully My 3 Shields 9-40-45 all have the hinged trigger.........And so does my newest. A .22 compact...........To me it it a bad design.......Guess the younguns raised on plastic pistols have never experienced anything different. Just don't know the difference.
Like your quote 'Better trigger".
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I often question things that sometimes don't get much air time or maybe thought about often. Maybe because of my OCD, maybe because I always notice details and maybe just because most people go through life not being bothered by the same things that annoy me.
The center blade safeties on many of the new breed of carry gun triggers just bother's me - one of the reasons is because they tend to pinch my finger when pulling the trigger sometimes, maybe because they can potentially get jammed by a piece of debris but most of all because to me they are essentially a useless piece on the trigger that gives you nothing more than a false sense of safety and security!!
If you inadvertently have your finger on the trigger while reholstering, unholstering , etc. and the gun gets caught or pushed forward it will STILL go bang! As a drop safety I see no real reason for it as all the modern designs have drop safeties built into them. If the trigger gets caught on something and gets a strong enough force applied to pull it, it will pull the center blade safety anyway. So the REAL point of it is...... ???? More than likely, just a feel - good, do - nothing lawyer devise for law suits or anti law suits.
And...... that is one of the major reasons I so much prefer the Sig P365 over many of the clones by other manufacturer's - it has NO center trigger blade. It has an internal drop safety and they offer the P365 with and without a manual safety. I carried mine for 3 years without the manual safety feature and then added one - they came ready for installation even in the beginning of production. To me that is a REAL safety that is efficient, easy to operate and actually makes the pistol quite safe with a round in the tube.
So again, I am more than likely one of the few here whom it bothers, but just figured if I'd post it and see if there are any other people who dislike it as well.
AMEN! Couldn't have said it better myself. I will add that nothing on the trigger is a safety. That little dingus was probably speced out by some lawyer.
Copied from glock from where the design originally sprang............Most plastic pistol makers copied A LOT from glock.
Tell us more about how that trigger safety pinches your finger.I often question things that sometimes don't get much air time or maybe thought about often. Maybe because of my OCD, maybe because I always notice details and maybe just because most people go through life not being bothered by the same things that annoy me.
The center blade safeties on many of the new breed of carry gun triggers just bother's me - one of the reasons is because they tend to pinch my finger when pulling the trigger sometimes, maybe because they can potentially get jammed by a piece of debris but most of all because to me they are essentially a useless piece on the trigger that gives you nothing more than a false sense of safety and security!!
If you inadvertently have your finger on the trigger while reholstering, unholstering , etc. and the gun gets caught or pushed forward it will STILL go bang! As a drop safety I see no real reason for it as all the modern designs have drop safeties built into them. If the trigger gets caught on something and gets a strong enough force applied to pull it, it will pull the center blade safety anyway. So the REAL point of it is...... ???? More than likely, just a feel - good, do - nothing lawyer devise for law suits or anti law suits.
And...... that is one of the major reasons I so much prefer the Sig P365 over many of the clones by other manufacturer's - it has NO center trigger blade. It has an internal drop safety and they offer the P365 with and without a manual safety. I carried mine for 3 years without the manual safety feature and then added one - they came ready for installation even in the beginning of production. To me that is a REAL safety that is efficient, easy to operate and actually makes the pistol quite safe with a round in the tube.
So again, I am more than likely one of the few here whom it bothers, but just figured if I'd post it and see if there are any other people who dislike it as well.
I'm certainly not saying it didn't happen to you - I have no reason to doubt your word. It's just very different from my own experience.
I've shot Glocks since the late 80's, as well as a number of others with the trigger safeties, and I've never been pinched. And in my larger large group of hard core competitive shooter friends and acquaintances, I've never heard anyone complain of that issue.
How does it happen? How does it pinch a finger?
scattershot
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I'm not chief 38, but I can say thatGlocks sometimes pinch my finger, too. Latest was a Model 22, gen 4. A replacement trigger fixed it, although it has the dingus too. With mine, I think the bottom of the trigger and the lower surface of the trigger guard was pinching my finger.
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Seems obvious reading the posts that some folks could use a little constructive firearms training. For me, if a gun has features I don't like I move on to something else. Probably why I don't carry Beretta's.
That is incorrect . . .
Which part is incorrect? Because it is a drop safety.
Exchipy
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Indeed. However, it nevertheless seems a very good idea to consciously take precaution against a shirttail, or anything else, entering the trigger guard during re-holstering.
My Kahr P9 has a longish, six pound trigger pull for each shot and absolutely no external safeties:
… and it shoots pretty good, too.
But, my S&W 642 also has no external safeties to mess with, conceals better than my Kahr, and is smoother on the draw for me from both hip and shoulder holsters:
… though it does require a bit more concentration to shoot well, beyond close-encounter distance (as that stray shot to the right demonstrates).
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I have had a Glock 19 Gen 4, currently own a Glock 45 Gen5 and carry a Sig 365 X Macro comp all the time when not carrying my 432UC or my 649-2. I am an admitted trigger snob. I hate the stock Glock trigger. The blade is very sharp and digs into my trigger finger. I generally change out all triggers on my striker fired guns. Both my Glock 45 and my 365 X Macro have custom triggers that are far better than stock. The trigger on the sig has no blade and the one on my Glock 45 is wide and comfortable. The only striker fired trigger that I never had to change out was the one on my Canik. Their triggers are excellent out of the box!
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I have two Glocks, a G42 that has a wonderful trigger (shot a lot) and a G34 that has a horrible trigger. But neither pinch.
However the Ruger LCP MAX is known to pinch. For me between the recoil and the trigger return spring the trigger pinches the top of the finger between the top of the trigger and the opening in the bottom of the frame that the trigger protrudes from. I've never experienced that before and I was an academy instructor for 18 years and have shot damn near everything at one time or another.
It's annoying to the point that I'm violating my principles of not messing with a potential carry gun. Yeah, putting in a new trigger that many report have succeeded in eliminating the pinch. I'd dump the gun but It's so small, light and can hold 11 rounds and hides anywhere.
BTW, I tried using tight leather gloves and the leather would get pinched and jam up the trigger. WTF Ruger. You've heard of these complaints?
The "drop safety" is a mechanism whereby the trigger must be pulled entirely to the rear, and then the trigger bar "drops" off of the ledge at the back of the frame, allowing the firing pin to move forward. Has nothing to do with dropping the pistol on the deck, which could never cause a Glock to fire, because the firing pin isn't in a position to fire until the trigger is pulled all the way to the rear, which if you understand physics you know can't happen with a very lightweight trigger and a very heavy pistol. But if you knew about Glocks, you would know that, instead of making uninformed comments . . .
Safe Action System
GLOCK’s revolutionary SAFE ACTION® System provides a consistent trigger pull from the first to the last round. The three automatic independently-operating mechanical safeties are built into the fire control system of the pistol.
us.glock.com
From Glock "The trigger safety is designed to prevent the pistol from firing if it's dropped or if the trigger is subjected to any pressure that isn't a direct firing pull."
Agreed. Glock pistols also have what's called a "drop safety," which is a separate function . . .Safe Action System
GLOCK’s revolutionary SAFE ACTION® System provides a consistent trigger pull from the first to the last round. The three automatic independently-operating mechanical safeties are built into the fire control system of the pistol.
From Glock "The trigger safety is designed to prevent the pistol from firing if it's dropped or if the trigger is subjected to any pressure that isn't a direct firing pull."
