Musings on the M1 carbine

Unlike M14/M16 magazines. the M1 Carbine magazines were meant to be consumables. If they got reused a few times that was a plus, as soon as troops started to experience any feed issues, the magazines were to be pitched/destroyed and the ammo/weapons supply always had a ready supply of new magazines available. That is why they are generally so flimsy and why for many, many years you could find new in the wrap surplus magazines everywhere for cheap.
All magazines are considered consumable to a point. In garrision none are considered consumable. Things have to be accounted for. They made six million carbines. I wonder how many magazines were made. 18 or more million?
 
Got a reference that can be quoted?

The system relies on a low-mass bolt and carrier and a dimensionally stunted system linearly limited by the tangential bolt thrust of the intermediate cartridge the carbine fires.

Vis a vis, it isn’t as overall reliable especially once fouled vs say, and AK that used a proper short stroke system with a much more inertially potent BC group to help feed cartridges.

When properly balanced with correct recoil spring and a thoroughly cleaned gas system, and fresh magazines, the carbine works well.

Introduce any amount of fouling or grit and it becomes an iffy proposition at best. Doesn’t help the tappet, once fouled, is tough to get apart to clean.
 
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All magazines are considered consumable to a point. In garrision none are considered consumable. Things have to be accounted for. They made six million carbines. I wonder how many magazines were made. 18 or more million?

Troops would change out magazines as often as they could obtain new ones. The ammunition proper came loaded in sardine style tins and the magazines in boxes with each wrapper in wax paper.
 
Troops would change out magazines as often as they could obtain new ones. The ammunition proper came loaded in sardine style tins and the magazines in boxes with each wrapper in wax paper.
You are correct that is the way ammo and magazines came from supply. Supply Bean Counters like things nice and neat. In the field it is a whole different ball game. Nowadays it is called a "tactical reload" drop the mag, reload and keep moving or fighting. Pick them up and reuse only if you have a chance.
 
The system relies on a low-mass bolt and carrier and a dimensionally stunted system linearly limited by the tangential bolt thrust of the intermediate cartridge the carbine fires.

Vis a vis, it isn’t as overall reliable especially once fouled vs say, and AK that used a proper short stroke system with a much more inertially potent BC group to help feed cartridges.

When properly balanced with correct recoil spring and a thoroughly cleaned gas system, and fresh magazines, the carbine works well.

Introduce any amount of fouling or grit and it becomes an iffy proposition at best. Doesn’t help the tappet, once fouled, is tough to get apart to clean.

Like I asked before got a written reference?
 
My Buddy Charlie’s Dad knew Carbine Williams.
I didn’t know enough to buy a Carbine when they were more than reasonable and the ammo was damn near free!
The only 30 Carbine Gun I ever owned was a Ruger Blackhawk.
It seemed like a good idea at the time!
 
Reply to Saxon Pig: We shot some water buffalos because a lot of guys were just onery. When we cleared the berm we were authorized to test fire weapons and if there was a buff around it sometimes got perforated.Not the way to win hearts an minds since they were probly worth more than the owners house. the "toony" aka platoon seargeant would settle up with money he carried for the purpose of pacification. We claimed accidental shooting and sometimes had to pay up ourselves.
 
Wow, every 30 Cal. Carbine I owned function perfectly with GI magazines. Always throughly cleaned them after firing. Years ago when we had a MG club in N.C. guys always brought a few M-2s, a real blast to shoot. Find and buy “ War Baby” for 30 Cal. Carbine info. BTW the books cost more than I paid for my first one in 73..
 
A certain members inventory includes bout 500 custom rounds loaded with Remington 115 jsp. Not as accurate as the Hdy 115 fmj, but reliable and expandable. Dated to 2009. And his carbine has the M2 mag catch.
 
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Gun Jesus (Ian McCollum).
Don't take that name in vain and I don't mean McCollum. I just looked through six different reference books From authors such a Larry Ruth, Bruce Canfield, Craig Riesch, J.C. Harrison. Not in one of them is a reference to McCollum. Give me the name of the specific book and page number and I will research him. The aforementioned authors are the gurus of the collectors that I have run into in my travels.
 
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Don't take that name in vain and I don't mean McCollum. I just looked through six different reference books From authors such a Larry Ruth, Bruce Canfield, Craig Riesch, J.C. Harrison. Not in one of them is a reference to McCollum. Give me the name of the specific book and page number and I will research him. The aforementioned authors are the gurus of the collectors that I have run into in my travels.

We don’t discuss religion and that name isn’t in vain. It’s a complement.
 
OK. I'll bite. In what way is it weak?

The impulse it generates and the way it does so is not ideal for a service weapon.

Jeff Cooper had nothing good to say about the carbine. He had been there, done that. Have you not heard of him, either?
 
I never made mention of religion, you did. Besides that is putting your author on a pretty high pedestal.

Still my question remains......what book and page?

Check out his YouTube channel Forgotten Weapons for more info.

I’m sorry if I upset you, I didn’t mean to make you so angry. Remember, this is just a hobby.
 
The impulse it generates and the way it does so is not ideal for a service weapon.

Jeff Cooper had nothing good to say about the carbine. He had been there, done that. Have you not heard of him, either?
Jeff Cooper did not like a lot of things. Another was the M-16 in any configuration. He preferred a .308 or larger.

I have heard of him. I went to one of the courses designed by him while on Active Duty on the Tax Payers dime.
 
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