Musings on the M1 carbine

As a aside, I just looked at a auction where a National Postal Meter is being auctioned. The price is at $2996.00 with a couple of days to go before the bidding is over.
 
I don't recall any of our guy's shooting a Water Buffalo on purpose, but they would get shot straying into a night ambush. It was sad because I had one of the interpreters tell me it cost close to 3 years wages for a Farmer to replace one. A Navy guy I worked with told me he had shot one with the twin .50's off his PBR and had to pay $300.00 from his pay to the Farmer who had gotten the boat number. They weren't stupid.
 
Why did the M1 Carbines .30cal , 110gr FMJ-RN at 2200fps get a rep for bouncing of Chinese overcoats , but the PPSHs .30cal , 86gr FMJ-RN at 1600fps get a rep for incredible penetration?
A Marine Korean War Veteran said his M-2 Carbine worked fine and it put the Chinese down for the count. He said the only draw back was the barrel was quick to overheat so he used it semi most if the time.
 
There are a large number of sources that have discussed the Italians issuing only 1 or 2 magazines with the BM59 over the last 40 years I've been interested in the BM59, and logically it stands up to scrutiny.

But by all means balance all that against your "I have a hard time believing...." statement of your inability to change an opinion.

Got it.

Where are all of these sources?

Considering some BM59s lack a built in charger bridge, and that separate spoons were issued to reload magazines (before combat that is), and the fact that there a tons of surplus Italian magazine pouches for the BMs available, and there are NO photos of BM59 equipped Italian military with Garand/M1903 cartridge belts that I have been able to find, and nothing written on the subject, sort of proves otherwise.

It would be STUPID to reload a select-fire, MAGAZINE FED battle rifle with 5-round stripper clips in combat… especially in the freezing cold Italian Alps. It would completely defeat the purpose of adopting the rifle and you’d have better sustained fire with a Garand. Logically, it doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever.

Again, are there any sources that you can cite that mate up with reality? You might be confusing photos of Italian troops with M1s, or might have read about training courses of fire. I’m not judging you.
 
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Due to the severe cold, the powder in the M1 Carbine Rounds during the winter incidents of not penetration Chinese clothing, the powder may have not completely ignited (temperature sensitive) or reached complete burn.
Actually that's a myth as the culprit of that was the M-3 .45 SMG. The cold weather degraded a already slow round so it would not penetrate.
 
FWIW compare the 30 Cal. Carbine round with the 300 Blackout. 30 Cal. Carbine round plainly not close to reloading changes as the Blackout but much is close. BTW, don't have a 300 Blackout nor want one as I have a 30 Cal. Carbine.
I have both and love shooting them but they’re not remotely the same the way I load for them. I shoot 300 subsonic exclusively, no real interest in supers. You’re right 30 carbine has that covered. But for slow, 200-220 gr loads that are whisper quiet out of my bolt gun, 300 blackout cannot be beat. Equally useful as an AR pistol/SBR.

I did load some 300 supers once, and I think it called for H110, same powder commonly used for 30 carbine.

30 carbine was my deer rifle as a boy in the 80’s. Until I graduated to the M1A or even the 03A3. Still have and shoot them all. Well not the 30-06 so much.
 
This is an interview with Ron Rosser, CMH recipient in the Korean War.
At 16:20 in the interview, he talks about fighting close enough that he was sticking his CARBINE in their ears. He made 3 trips up to the top of the hill with his carbine & hand grenades. The Carbine did not fail Sgt. Rosser.
This is an extremely interesting interview, well worth watching in it's entirety.




As a young lad, my constant companion in the woods & swamps was an Underwood carbine. It was an incredible shooter. Sadly, I let it get away from me, but I have replaced it with another. Unfortunately, I have not fired this one any where near the amount of times I did that Underwood.

Ned
 
I am around 82 (iffy birth certificate and all relatives are dead). I acquired my first Carbine in 1964 (DCM) and still have it and others. I am with the 'love it' group. I have shot every thing available in NE with never a glitch. Even had an M2 at one point in service but, I find (found) semi to actually be more practical with less ammo consumption. If you want a REALLY effective load try some Winchester 110 gr HPs. Only cartridge I ever had that would stop a porcupine with one shot. As much as I love my assorted '06s the Carbine is the perfect woods gun for around here.
 
My 10 year grandson loves to shoot my 1944 Inland. We shoot plastic jugs of water and pop cans. He uses a shoulder pad. I just loaded up another 300+ rounds for him. The mobster Bugsey Siegal was kiillled by a Carbine when sitting on his sofa in Vegas when he got greedy. SF VET
 
As a MACV advisor in IV corps i had a vast assortment of firearms as no one cared about us advisors. Had this paratroop M2 which somewhere in its past had a folding stock added. With the flipping butt plate had to hold it up either my arm to keep the rifle from slipping off. Just plinking down by the river. SF VET
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The wire stock looks bent down a bit to me.
 
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