Harrison
US Veteran
Oh come on!!!! That case has been on the national news for weeks. It has been on TV, it has been on the radio, and it has been in the newspapers.
my response to "no guns allowed" sign
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Oh come on!!!! That case has been on the national news for weeks. It has been on TV, it has been on the radio, and it has been in the newspapers.
TexasArmed
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Glad you did not make that inference. Rastoff's statement though was
<<"The logic here doesn't track. You are aware that you can't have your gun anywhere on Post Office property, including the parking lot, right? So, if your car is broken into while in the Post Office parking lot, and your gun is stolen, the government cannot be held responsible because you're breaking the law.">>
I just wanted to be clear that someone who had read that comment had not thought I had broken any law. I obey the law, such as legal signs not recommended ones.
My point is the post office restricts the guns on their property,
force you to have a post office box, will not deliver mail to an apartment address, thereby creating an unsafe situation where a gun could get stolen from a vehicle, and then is used in a crime.
The post office is the only place I ever go that I leave my gun in a locked vehicle. I refuse to drive there disarmed. But when
I do, my car is NOT on post office property.
SgtLumpy
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You're a little late to the party, sir. I posted over 3 weeks ago "Thanks for the link". I received the cite I asked for.
TV, radio, newspapers...Quaint concepts. But they're not in my home. I depend on you guys to keep me informed me of all the "Baker forced to bake gay wedding cake" news.
Sgt Lumpy
SgtLumpy
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USPS...
Not rain, nor snow, nor gloom of night will keep these couriers from their appointed rounds. Unless it's to an apartment building.
Sgt Lumpy
Not rain, nor snow, nor gloom of night will keep these couriers from their appointed rounds. Unless it's to an apartment building.
Sgt Lumpy
OP
How did this thread devolve into Gay Bakeries and Postal employees? 
My original post was intended less as a "political statement" and more of a humorous event.
Lets all lighten up, carry when and how you choose, and make sure you belong to at least ONE organization that fights for gun owners rights!
We live in a golden age for concealed carriers, with more states allowing CCW now than ever before. BUT....that could all quickly dissipate, if we are not constantly involved in the political process, be it local, state, or federal.
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
My original post was intended less as a "political statement" and more of a humorous event.
Lets all lighten up, carry when and how you choose, and make sure you belong to at least ONE organization that fights for gun owners rights!
We live in a golden age for concealed carriers, with more states allowing CCW now than ever before. BUT....that could all quickly dissipate, if we are not constantly involved in the political process, be it local, state, or federal.
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
wittmeba
US Veteran
wheelyfun66 - Don't carry illegally (in a store posted with "No guns allowed"). It gives all of us a black eye and we don't need it.
Print this and take it to the store.
Print this and take it to the store.
shouldazagged
Absent Comrade
I like it!
franzas
Member
Bingo.
I remember a few months back I heard a story that an armed person took a bunch of people hostage in a store in a mall. You never know when you'll need to defend yourself and others. You don't know if some idiot is planning on robbing that hardware store on that particular day at that exact time you're in it. Stay armed, stay safe
Jaysq
US Veteran
While I do not encourage anyone to try this for a defense, this actually did happen back in the late 50's. I was in the Navy and our ship went into dry dock in Boston.
All of the trains and subways had signs saying "No Smoking Allowed". Well, there was this guy standing under one of those signs, smoking away. He got arrested and when he went to court he pleaded not guilty. The judge was a bit taken back and asked him if he was smoking or not. He said he was smoking but the sign did not say he could not smoke it said "No Smoking Allowed" which technically meant that you were allowed not to smoke while on the train. His case was dismissed and the transit system had to change all their signs. I do not know how they read today.
Thank about it:
Smoking Allowed....means it's OK to smoke
No Smoking Allowed... means it's OK not to smoke, but it really doesn't say you can't smoke, does it?
No Guns Allowed.....Ok to come in without a gun?????
While this really did happen....please do not try this at home. Times have changed and you would most likely loose, but i always think of this every time I see one of those signs.
All of the trains and subways had signs saying "No Smoking Allowed". Well, there was this guy standing under one of those signs, smoking away. He got arrested and when he went to court he pleaded not guilty. The judge was a bit taken back and asked him if he was smoking or not. He said he was smoking but the sign did not say he could not smoke it said "No Smoking Allowed" which technically meant that you were allowed not to smoke while on the train. His case was dismissed and the transit system had to change all their signs. I do not know how they read today.
Thank about it:
Smoking Allowed....means it's OK to smoke
No Smoking Allowed... means it's OK not to smoke, but it really doesn't say you can't smoke, does it?
No Guns Allowed.....Ok to come in without a gun?????
While this really did happen....please do not try this at home. Times have changed and you would most likely loose, but i always think of this every time I see one of those signs.
SgtLumpy
Member
I suggest that more effective than handing that kind of flyer to the local store clerk or manager would be to send, via snail mail, a well constructed letter to corporate headquarters, assuming there is such structure. If not, snail mail the same to the local owner/manager.
Colorful flyers are the kind of thing that people put all over the cars in the parking lot to advertise "buy gold", "Discount dental", "Windshield crack repair" etc.
Not to mention that to hand the flyer to the store manager in person pretty much means you're violating their policy, and perhaps the law, by carrying CCW into the store while handing them the thing.
They've set that policy for a reason. And that reason was probably NOT because someone handed them a flyer, from either side of the argument.
Sgt Lumpy
Colorful flyers are the kind of thing that people put all over the cars in the parking lot to advertise "buy gold", "Discount dental", "Windshield crack repair" etc.
Not to mention that to hand the flyer to the store manager in person pretty much means you're violating their policy, and perhaps the law, by carrying CCW into the store while handing them the thing.
They've set that policy for a reason. And that reason was probably NOT because someone handed them a flyer, from either side of the argument.
Sgt Lumpy
Protected One
Member
+P+...I mean ^+1
People underestimate the power of a hand written letter, sent via snail mail. Email is easy to "delete" without reading if the "subject" indicated isn't appealing, but people receive so few letters today that one can't resist reading it.
Also, businesses KNOW that 1 letter represents at least 250 people who feel the same...but wont take time to write! Thus, they are taken very seriously.
My wife knows that if I say "it's time to write a letter", someone done really screwed up!
Protected One
Member
I told my wife that until my "crystal ball" gets back from repairs, I'm carrying EVERYWHERE I'm allowed. Get use to it!
That's why they make .380 KelTecs. My I Phone makes a bigger bulge in my pocket. As long as there isn't a scanning machine around, I come and go like a shadow. An old man no one cares about, leaving nothing behind when I leave nor caring to. If the gun comes out, my life or those around me are in real danger. Other than that, ghetto blasters can blast, drunks can stagger down the street, left wing do gooders can go about their business doing good. I try to get the most out of the day but have plan B ready like I always have had.
OP
Heck, that's why they make CCO-sized 1911's!!
I know when I carry in my Milt Sparks VersaMaxII, under a decent fitting untucked shirt.......it is NOT visible.
Frizzman
US Veteran
Having been in jobs where having one's concealed handgun noticed could get one assaulted or killed, I got into the habit of keeping my armed status unknown to those around me. I once read a short article written by a guy who was from a Balkan country where it was very dangerous but anyone, who was not military or police, caught carrying a firearm faced many years in prison or execution. The author explained the attitude and behaviors he adopted to have a means of defense without it costing him years in prison or his life. It was an informative piece and since reading it, I have taken his advice...As far as I know, my concealed firearms have not been spotted and as far as I am concerned I don't even own a gun. I behave that way and never do or say anything to bring any attention to myself regarding firearms/weapons in public...I agree that such signs are pointless except to try to duck liability perhaps. But they are of no concern to me since I never carry a gun, right?...
I'm a fan of the "Sackets", a Louis L'amour cowboy family. One of the Sackets, I can't remember which, wanted to leave "Big tracks on the land". I realized early on in my life that for me it was better to move across the land and leave no tracks.
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I have seen so much discussion on this topic and I HAVE to ask a question. "Since when does a store policy supersede a state law ???" I would think if in fact you have a concealed weapons permit that would tend to indicate the State has found you to be of worthy of a concealed permit therefore you are not in violation of any state law why on God's green earth would you be worried about some store's policy???
I have failed to note a time any subject was placed under arrest for violating a store policy, but then again I was just a street cop for 22 years and may have failed to see the legal power of a store policy in a court of law. Hey it's just my two cents worth from the Big Sky Country. My LT. always told me to keep my head down and my powder dry, he never said anything about being concerned regarding a store policy, guess he forgot to explain some things to me.
I have failed to note a time any subject was placed under arrest for violating a store policy, but then again I was just a street cop for 22 years and may have failed to see the legal power of a store policy in a court of law. Hey it's just my two cents worth from the Big Sky Country. My LT. always told me to keep my head down and my powder dry, he never said anything about being concerned regarding a store policy, guess he forgot to explain some things to me.
shep854
Member
If a CCW is asked to leave, and refuses, it becomes a case of trespass, since he is on private property without permission. The owner has the right to call police to deal with him, especially if there's a gun around.
Rastoff
US Veteran
Of course it doesn't and I don't think anyone here has suggested that it does.
I've said this before, but it bears repeating; it's about respect. To get respect you must give respect. If a store owner doesn't want me to carry a gun in his store, I'll respect his wishes and shop elsewhere.
mc5aw
Member
No firearms policy = No commerce from me.
Simple. I respect business owners' sentiments as I hope others respect mine.
Simple. I respect business owners' sentiments as I hope others respect mine.
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I would have gone to the check out at the register with a full cart of very small products from all over the store. Once all of the items were rung up, I would have asked for the manager. Then we would walk to the no weapons sign and then back to the cashier. I would ask the manager to note all of the products that have been rung up and say, "in defiance to your sign you must void this sale and restock every item". I would do that several times a month and ask others to do the same. After a month of this, I'll bet the sign would come down.
Protected One
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And by the time you've done it twice the cops will be called the next time your face shows up! You're wasting their time - and yours.
More likelly it would just make the owner/manager despise gun owners all the more.
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SgtLumpy
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That kind of nonsense has absolutely no place in responsible gun ownership.
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Hodgin
US Veteran
I'm not sure about "all" states but in most states it is the state's carry law that permits private businesses to decide whether they will allow or not allow carry. So its not that store policy supercedes state law, it's that state law allows businesses to decide what takes place on their property.
All they can ask you to do in some states is to leave or else be guilty of trespass. In others, it's a criminal offense subject to a fine. But, in either case, it's state law that allows stores to set policy.
kozmic
Member
If it comes down to violating the wishes of a store or leaving a handgun in my car, I'm taking it with me into the store. If I know the place I need to be (mostly my kid's school) is a gun free zone I make other arrangements for my carry piece. I have a small safe at work or I leave it home for that trip.
BTW, it is now a felony to have a weapon (even a pocket knife) on public school property in NY and certainly not worth the hassle or downside.
BTW, it is now a felony to have a weapon (even a pocket knife) on public school property in NY and certainly not worth the hassle or downside.
M Auto. You mean nobody's ever been shot in a hardware store?
So what are they wanding you for ? I don't get it . Maybe you can only have just so many guns with you ,1. Gun doesn't matter .
I told my wife that until my "crystal ball" gets back from repairs, I'm carrying EVERYWHERE I'm allowed. Get use to it!
This is my practice too. Someone once asked me if I only carried in unsafe areas or everywhere I went.
My reply was that if I know an area is unsafe, I do everything I can to avoid it. It's the rest of the world, where the threat is unknown that I'm concerned about.
Protected One
Member
As I said, these are movie "screenings"...not normal showings.
All attendees are invited, and wanded before entry.
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