Texas Star
US Veteran
If you're thinking of trading a M-1 for an AK, you do indeed need advice.
Need advice: Should i trade a M1 Garand for an AK47?
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SmokewagonSD
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I have some ocean front property here in Wyoming that I would trade for that Garand.
Wee Hooker
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You should go to church IMMEDIATELY and beg forgiveness for even mentioning the two in the same sentence!
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Trade an American Veteran of three wars (M1 Garand) for a Foreign AK-47 !!
Not only NO, but HELL NO !
shame on you for even letting that idea gallop across the vast wasteland of your mind !
Trade an American Veteran of three wars (M1 Garand) for a Foreign AK-47 !!
Not only NO, but HELL NO !
shame on you for even letting that idea gallop across the vast wasteland of your mind !
Pilgrim
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hangnoose
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A GARRAND FOR AN AK47
If the AK has a milled receiver and was once owned by Osama Bin Laden, Ho Chi Min, or Chairman Mao, MAYBE.
If the AK has a milled receiver and was once owned by Osama Bin Laden, Ho Chi Min, or Chairman Mao, MAYBE.
Backlighting
Member
EXACTLY!!!!
The Garand is a true piece of history and I love mine for that plus the
durable rugged weapon that it is. All M1s floating around out there,
including CMPs, are far from equal however. Virtually all are mixmasters
and some simply don't function very well. Many buyers of CMP guns
find that without some bedding and accurizing their new toy shoots
patterns rather than groups. The receivers and bolts are long lived in
the Garand but the condition of the barrel is critical if you expect your
M1 to shoot well. A weakness of the design is that bores must be
cleaned from the muzzle. Damage from steel cleaning rods at the
muzzle destroys accuracy and there's not much you can do about it
except replace the barrel. You didn't say much about the actual
condition of your gun. All AKs are not equal either. Yeah, some are
pieced together junk but there are some very good ones out there.
Pre ban Norincos and Poly Techs are some of them. A question of
whether to trade an M1 for an AK is impossible to answer fairly
without specific information but the Polish AK in question might not
be your best trade option.
durable rugged weapon that it is. All M1s floating around out there,
including CMPs, are far from equal however. Virtually all are mixmasters
and some simply don't function very well. Many buyers of CMP guns
find that without some bedding and accurizing their new toy shoots
patterns rather than groups. The receivers and bolts are long lived in
the Garand but the condition of the barrel is critical if you expect your
M1 to shoot well. A weakness of the design is that bores must be
cleaned from the muzzle. Damage from steel cleaning rods at the
muzzle destroys accuracy and there's not much you can do about it
except replace the barrel. You didn't say much about the actual
condition of your gun. All AKs are not equal either. Yeah, some are
pieced together junk but there are some very good ones out there.
Pre ban Norincos and Poly Techs are some of them. A question of
whether to trade an M1 for an AK is impossible to answer fairly
without specific information but the Polish AK in question might not
be your best trade option.
Gunsnwater
Member
I will trade you my iver Johnson sealed eight for your stinky old m1 as a favor.
front sights a little canted, it the mark of true craftsmanship.
front sights a little canted, it the mark of true craftsmanship. george minze
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You were kidding...right...
venomballistics
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figuring half that group size at 200 ... I'd still have not allowed either it, or you, to hunt with us.Me too! Lets see the Garand operate in any conditions without maintenance and take anything but the 150gr Garand ammo
My friend's 400 yards AK74. Sorry didnt have the 47 that day. Iron sights off hand
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We got sick of dropping everything to track because someone, or something could not shoot straight.
Arik
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What this has to do with hunting? Hunting rifles are different from semi auto rifles. But thats fine. I dont buy Garands ot AKs to hunt with. My hunting rifle is a Ruger M77 bolt action 30-06. Every rifle has its purpose. Cant hunt with semi autos here anyway or anything in 22 cal. Also not much open space like in that pic to hunt in. (The pic is on a private farm) 99% of the time if its past 75 yards you wont see it. But a 30-30 has similar ballistics to 7.62x39 and plenty of people hunt with those.
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David Armstrong
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If we were hunting, maybe. But if we are fighting I'll take that all day. The AK was designed for battle and does a fine job at that task.
venomballistics
Member
given that the AK is an arm designed for conflict resolution ... or escalation, depending on your needs at the time, there should be a few minimums set in ones criteria.
Accuracy need not be that of a 1000 meter competition rifle, but any rifle should be able to place head shots with confidence to at least the 300 mark, even if the shooter might not be equally capable.
the M1's Ive dealt with could, the AK 47's never made it, But in all fairness, I did get to play with a 74 that could. its not to say all of them can.
Precision is one of the primary reasons you reach for a rifle. It's a non negotiable trait, be it bolt, lever, auto, pump, or single shot.
venomballistics
Member
been covered more than a few times in this here forum, so Ill let you search for some of the FBI Miami shootout stuff.
overview... one man, with a mini 14, made a lot of business for funeral homes, all while seriously injured.
This lead to the re evaluation of the FBI's armament and procedure.
Men died. Take notes.
JJEH
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Arik
Member
I guess its what youre worried about and what you see yourself doing. I really do like Garands, and as i said i had one. But i have no nostalgia to it and dont collect firearms so its just money out the window.....finding specific 3006 and shooting as often as my hunting rifle .....which is once in a blue moon. I'd rather have something cheaper to shoot, practice with and have spare parts availability.
As far as SD/TEOTWAWKI im not concerned with consistent 300 yard head shots. I want consistent torso/center mass shots in a easy to use, reliable package that doesnt need a lot of maintenance and cleaning, all of which i get from my AKs. To me thats worth more then a pretty, rifle with some history ...(My Garand was H&R which didnt see combat).... sitting in a safe. For that money i can buy a good AK and a case of ammo
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As far as SD/TEOTWAWKI im not concerned with consistent 300 yard head shots. I want consistent torso/center mass shots in a easy to use, reliable package that doesnt need a lot of maintenance and cleaning, all of which i get from my AKs. To me thats worth more then a pretty, rifle with some history ...(My Garand was H&R which didnt see combat).... sitting in a safe. For that money i can buy a good AK and a case of ammo
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LVSteve
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THe sights are squint on the guy's Polish build? Red flag right there.
You tell me where to get $300 AKs retail and I'll see you there. I would only pay $500+ for a Bulgarian milled AK if I really wanted one. Right now my $400 straight sighted WASR will suffice. Folk should not get sucked in by the Saiga hype, either. I had one in 20" non-pistol grip form and it was overgassed with a nasty trigger. Traded it to a shop who wanted one to do a fake RPK build.
As for the M1 being art, I'm afraid I'm not buying it. It is one of the the most over-hyped milsurps after the K98k, the original Springfield 1903 and the Enfield No.5 Mk1 Jungle Carbine. The M1 is an accurate weapon (for a semi) with a good barrel and the basic design is robust, but by no means perfect. It is ammo picky although this can be mitigated with aftermarket parts. As somebody else pointed out, many are now arsenal mixmasters which is fine on the ones that work, but not so clever when you get one where the tolerances all stack up the wrong way.
All that said the market is in love with the M1, as you can see from some of the preceding posts.
A $550 CMP rifle can often be turned around for a quick ~$200 profit, although it won't be with me.
To answer the OP's question, in the current market swapping the M1 for that Polish underfolder is not a good deal.
You tell me where to get $300 AKs retail and I'll see you there.
I would only pay $500+ for a Bulgarian milled AK if I really wanted one. Right now my $400 straight sighted WASR will suffice. Folk should not get sucked in by the Saiga hype, either. I had one in 20" non-pistol grip form and it was overgassed with a nasty trigger. Traded it to a shop who wanted one to do a fake RPK build.As for the M1 being art, I'm afraid I'm not buying it. It is one of the the most over-hyped milsurps after the K98k, the original Springfield 1903 and the Enfield No.5 Mk1 Jungle Carbine. The M1 is an accurate weapon (for a semi) with a good barrel and the basic design is robust, but by no means perfect. It is ammo picky although this can be mitigated with aftermarket parts. As somebody else pointed out, many are now arsenal mixmasters which is fine on the ones that work, but not so clever when you get one where the tolerances all stack up the wrong way.
All that said the market is in love with the M1, as you can see from some of the preceding posts.
A $550 CMP rifle can often be turned around for a quick ~$200 profit, although it won't be with me. To answer the OP's question, in the current market swapping the M1 for that Polish underfolder is not a good deal.
Arik
Member
Saiga hype is all about converting them. Unfortunately its a stupid import law. No one buys them and keeps in original config. Most Arsenals are converted Saigas.
Sorry for that derailment
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