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I bought a new in box 617 4" last week. Looked great at the counter too.
Shooting was another story. 2 or 3 of the chamber in a cylinder are very hard to cycle double action. Always the same 3.
The extractor rod and crane seem fine. What else should I look for??
 
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First thing is to clean well, especially under ejector star. Always eject empties with barrel pointer up at at least 45 degrees. This keeps burned powder from getting under star.

If it is still sticky. When you get to the hard chambers does cocking the hammer single action get hard right before it locks back of right from the start as the cylinder turns. With empty fired brass in all chambers when cocked and fired on one of the hard chambers can you see light between end of barrel and front of cylinder? To little barrel gap causing a bit of drag there.. If it gets hard just before it finishes cocking then several of the teeth on star need adjustment. Unless you know what you are doing either requires a trip to gunsmith and or S&W under warranty.
 
It was new and not fired and cleaned before the range.
No drag marks on the cylinder face after maybe a hundred rounds being fired.
I marked the chambers with a sharpie so I know it's the same three.
Need to check single action.
 
For what new 617s are selling for, I'd be on the phone with the mother ship for a shipping tag. It's too new and expensive to mess with, and too expensive not to be right.
 
Could be hand and extractor star not properly fitted, bent crane, bent extractor rod or cylinder face not square. My bet is on number one. Back to the mother ship.
 
Did you clean under the extractor before you took it to the range? Put some magic marker on the base some fired rounds, rotate the cylinder and see if the bases a rubbing on the frame
 
Is this with different type of ammo too after cleaning under extractor. Does the ammo fully push in ,it could be tight chambers. Try putting one round in the first chamber leaving the other two empty then repeat to find out if it is all three . Just saying that the slightest raised cartridge will drag . If you can get a hold of some JB bore polishing compound and follow directions will clean what maybe you can't see. I had after shooting some bulk ammo . Just some thought to try before calling S&W. If you have to contact them do it by email for a ship label .Good luck
 
Any movement here? I'm interested in the outcome.

Yes. I had it to the range and marked the chambers that cycled hard in double action. Really didn't want to send another one back to Smith so I did a very thorough cleaning including under the sideplate.
It was dirty and had metal shavings inside. I did remove what I think was a burr on the star? Oiled and re-assembled.
Now it cycles heavy but even on all chambers as measured by my trigger gage. Pulls a pound heavier than my 6" that has been shot a lot.
I did however have a pin left on my bench when all was done. I didn't see it fall out of the sideplate but it may have when I bumped the plate off???
Anyway, I am ready to install a red dot and get on with bullseye.
 
Hello--new shooter here--tonight I tried out my new 617 at the range. About 50 shots into it--I noticed I had to check and make sure the shells were flush in the cylinder before closing. About 120 rounds thru it--I had trouble ejecting the 10 shells from the cylinder. I asked the rangemaster just to look and he gave it a more experienced wack and they popped out.
Should I consider bringing a cleaning kit to the range--to minimize this happening? Is it sort of normal? I am all for routine cleaning after shooting--just never considered "during shooting". ammo was cci 22 stangers.--thanks for any help.
 
It's possible on those three chambers the hand it binding on the ratchet just as the gun goes to full carry up. This could be a slightly oversize hand, so the first thing to do is as you have done, mark the surfaces with marker and work the action, checking to see what you see. Also check to see if the cylinder stop has snapped into the cylinder recess as the binding occurs, pretty much pin-pointing the either those three ratchet faces as needing a slight stoning, or starting with a polish on the lateral surfaces of the hand, with perhaps - depending on what you see, a slight stoning - slight....stoning of a few strokes at a time, and limit the stone contact to just the upper end of the hand where it contacts the ratchet.

Since you're comfortable removing the side plate, remove the hand and give it a good polish - not material removal, just slick it up on either side. While you're checking, carefully examine the each chamber ratchet for uniformity on the outer "corner" which is trimmed to a flat for the hand to ride up alongside.

Next consider applying a tiny daub of Clover compound to the outer ledge of the of the ratchet, with another tiny daub on the hand slot. Work the action around a few times then disassemble and give the entire suite of parts a good cleaning to remove all traces of Clover compound. Just so you know Clover compound is a very fine abrasive often used for final fitting of 1911 slides and it takes a lot of "cycles" to attain the final fit so it's not an aggressive compound that's going to wear out the gun in a few cycles. You'll probably have to assess for an ease in the binding, then do a repeat. The key is once you've reached your goal, flush all parts to ensure no compound remains.

You could have a situation where the cylinder has been locked by the cylinder stop just before the hand finishes carrying up along side the ratchet and so the hand is binding a bit to squeeze up past the ratchet "corner" for lack of a better word. Remember, S&W cylinders achieve lock, just prior to full cock which means the hand is still moving and must have adequate clearance in the slot with the ratchet pressing.

One other thing to check as you observe the cylinder rotating is how far the crane flexes outward by the hand during cocking, and whether it appears the crane returns to it's proper position on those three chambers, or a tiny gap between crane and frame exists.

Finally, you could just decide to send it off the S&W and let them do the work, because whereas this is the sort of problem I live to fix myself, you really have to understand the parts and how they work - should work, and what you'll see if they aren't working.
 
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Step One: Call Springfield and express your disappointment---and your expectations of better from what used to be a firm that made a point of producing the best possible product for the price---rather than now where they seem to be focused on producing their product at the lowest possible cost---not that it will do any good.

Step Two: Ask them to send you a shipping label---pre-paid!!

Step Three: Ship it.

Step Four: Hurry up and wait!!

Ralph Tremaine
 
Hello--new shooter here--tonight I tried out my new 617 at the range. About 50 shots into it--I noticed I had to check and make sure the shells were flush in the cylinder before closing. About 120 rounds thru it--I had trouble ejecting the 10 shells from the cylinder. I asked the rangemaster just to look and he gave it a more experienced wack and they popped out.
Should I consider bringing a cleaning kit to the range--to minimize this happening? Is it sort of normal? I am all for routine cleaning after shooting--just never considered "during shooting". ammo was cci 22 stangers.--thanks for any help.

I think the forum prefers you start your own thread, rather than asking a question in another discussion...but to your point...

A cleaning during shooting would probably help. Also different ammo, especially standard velocity, might help. It used to be S&W .22's had tight chambers and your experience was quite common. I would have thought after all these years they would have rectified this issue. It's an easy fix, the chambers can be reamed a bit and it alleviates this issue. Any gunsmith can do it, you can even mail your cylinder off and have it done, or buy a reamer. There was one here that was being loaned out.

If you don't get many answers, start your own thread.
 
I would not send this back to S&W. My 617 is about 3 or 4 months old and I had a similar problem for the first 500 rounds. .22 ammo is dirty. This gun needs to be kept clean. Regardless of ammo brand, I get about 50 rounds before the cylinder becomes difficult or impossible to close. I use a Q tip to clean under the star extractor and the area where the bullet rim seats, then all is well again for about 50 or 60 rounds. I found that Remington Golden Bullets will go about 80 or so before cleaning. This gun is tight and therefore does not tolerate debris in or around the extractor area. I now have surpassed 2500 rounds and this is my favorite revolver.
 
I would not send this back to S&W. My 617 is about 3 or 4 months old and I had a similar problem for the first 500 rounds. .22 ammo is dirty. This gun needs to be kept clean. Regardless of ammo brand, I get about 50 rounds before the cylinder becomes difficult or impossible to close. I use a Q tip to clean under the star extractor and the area where the bullet rim seats, then all is well again for about 50 or 60 rounds. I found that Remington Golden Bullets will go about 80 or so before cleaning. This gun is tight and therefore does not tolerate debris in or around the extractor area. I now have surpassed 2500 rounds and this is my favorite revolver.

BOY,, I must be lucky,,
I have two 617's that easily have over 5,000 rounds through each by me.
(I only shoot "whatever is cheap" bulk ammo)

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Other than an occasional wipe-down, NEITHER revolver has EVER been cleaned.

It may be blasphemy to admit,, but, these guns are for my entertainment,,
they do not exist to produce work for me.

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Both guns were purchased used, and both guns were FAR DIRTIER when I got them than they are now,,

I had to detail clean both when they came home.

So, who knows how many rounds are through them??
 
Hello--new shooter here--tonight I tried out my new 617 at the range. About 50 shots into it--I noticed I had to check and make sure the shells were flush in the cylinder before closing. About 120 rounds thru it--I had trouble ejecting the 10 shells from the cylinder. I asked the rangemaster just to look and he gave it a more experienced wack and they popped out.
Should I consider bringing a cleaning kit to the range--to minimize this happening? Is it sort of normal? I am all for routine cleaning after shooting--just never considered "during shooting". ammo was cci 22 stangers.--thanks for any help.
@Electraclyde
As stated above you have tight chambers. A little debris and the rounds need a little shoving in and out of the cylinder.
I had the same issue and I was fearful to ream the cylinders as mine was an absolute laser with any ammo in it and really didnt want to mess with it. I finally gave in and purchased the cylinder reamer and it didnt change anything except for trouble free extraction.

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