New LEO Service Revolver

[jscott]

Tflt, love the cop and his kid pic. Every cop should have one. Mine is from Detroit PD in the 70's. Hope your's turned out as great as mine.

 

[fishwishin]

To properly outfit a large Department with revolvers, you need to look at the whole job, not just the shooters. I'm a retired guy from the NYPD. The good shooters, who take it seriously will do well with whatever you give them. The reality is that a LARGE percentage will show up at the range twice a year, attain a passing score, then go back to spilling coffee into their holsters until next time. In 1990 when I went on patrol with a 4" NY-1 loaded with 158 grain LSWC's, (pre NYCLAD),and a 2" NY-1 in my belt, I was complaining about not having a 9MM, but never felt I couldn't address anything that came up during the tour. The 64's available in 4" and 3" as a patrol gun allowed a broad range of average shooters to do fairly well on the range as well as on the road.


Give'em K frame's!

Very good take on this matter. I too, would feel comfortable pressing my model 15 back into service, but then again- I still train with it even if it is no longer in service.

Very classic picture of you and the '90's get up (I started in '90). My first born was born in '91 and just as in your case she now has babies too.

 

[GerSan69]

That's easy. Taurus, maybe their Model 608.
Heh. I know what you're thinking: "He done lost his dam mind."
If any government is going to spend millions to go against conventional wisdom and equip their boys with old-school revolvers, they aren't going to spend an arm and leg doing it. Governments are notoriously cheap - and where better to save a buck than giving those no-longer-in-favor cops an inexpensive replacement? After all, these days, they don't want you to actually shoot anyone with it....

 

[tflt]

Groo here
Had a gold star for a "few" years.
This is not as far feched as it seems.
The main reason for the "wonder 9's" was cops getting killed with empty guns and cases in there hands.[incorrect or no training ]
With modern speed loaders/moon clips ect that would be much less of a problem.
Fewer rounds causes you to be sure of hits and reduces the hail of bullets problems.
Revolvers are not ammo depend like an auto and can use most any type weight or materal of bullet with out feed problems.[also lowest bid ammo]
The important thing is to fit the gun to the shooter.
Too big a grip is hard to fix to small , change wood..
Sights need to be big and fixed is nice "IF" the factory sights them in[like they use to]
A good trigger in double action, [I DO NOT like a DAO though as aimed fire or longer range hitting may be needed]
The number of shots is not as important as where the hit is and the ammo,[cops miss with 80% of there shots, TRAINING]
The barrel should be around 3in +- as most cops are in cars alot.
and and a grip in the ribs is not fun.
As hands come in all sizes and as this is 38/357 any 3in J fram to a 3in
Gp 100 /686 would work.
N frames are out "unless" the officer has larger hands and a larger round is used,
Weight is in the mix but removing n frames helps along with lighter ammo and lighter holsters.
Most officers would be better served with revolvers and remember
most officers NEVER draw let alone fire a gun on duty..

Where exactly were you a Police Officer?

Reading these comments leads me to believe your shield said,

"Please Pay When Served"
Scott Gadell was killed reloading his revolver, his death did not get us the "wonder 9", it got us speed loaders instead of dump pouch's. Bill Bratton as the Chief of the NYC Transit Police finally bucked the broken system in NYC and made sure his Department was properly armed with the Glock 9MM. The NYPD soon followed with the adoption of the "wonder 9". I worked in Transit as well as above ground in the NYPD and can tell you our firearms "broke leather" almost daily.

You might not feel so good about speed loaders and moon clips if you were performing solo train patrol on the southbound IRT #3 train somewhere between Sutter Ave. & New Lotts!

 

[smithman]

Model 67 or 686. Either would be fine with me if I had to carry a .38 special cartridge.

 

[Buford57]

Of current production guns, Ruger GP100 for uniform, SP101 or S&W 642-1 for plainclothes and BUG.

 

[TAROMAN]

What our county deputies carried back in the day:

 

[Groo01]

Where exactly were you a Police Officer?

Reading these comments leads me to believe your shield said,

"Please Pay When Served"
Scott Gadell was killed reloading his revolver, his death did not get us the "wonder 9", it got us speed loaders instead of dump pouch's. Bill Bratton as the Chief of the NYC Transit Police finally bucked the broken system in NYC and made sure his Department was properly armed with the Glock 9MM. The NYPD soon followed with the adoption of the "wonder 9". I worked in Transit as well as above ground in the NYPD and can tell you our firearms "broke leather" almost daily.

You might not feel so good about speed loaders and moon clips if you were performing solo train patrol on the southbound IRT #3 train somewhere between Sutter Ave. & New Lotts!

Groo here
S.O. in Ohio
Hundreds of miles of roads in the county.
Country boys shoot better than most gangbangers
Solo patrol usually 2 or 3 Cars out for the COUNTY.
"Deps do it Alone"
Oh , I almost forgot ,,, Backup over 15 min away AND No SWAT...
Ps A "few " years works out to 30+............
Also we supplied our own gun and ammo , leather.
And the smallest revolver was a 357mag [and ammo]
One sarge carried a 41mag and we had at least two 44mags.
The 9mm did not show up until 12 years in and was not much
when shooting car hits our standard testing target[ little critters to BIG steers].... was not well received.

 

[DR505]

Okay, since it is fantasy time: all would get 3.5" 27-2 revolvers.

 

[rincar]

I started in the early 70's. I carried S&W revolvers for the most part. S&W model 10, a model 28, and model 686. I also carried a colt trooper chambered for 357 magnum for a very short time. Then in the early 90's we switched to Glock 17's. If i were still working I would not feel under gunned carrying a revolver again.

 

[ImDrRich]

Easy. Model 13. Love that revolver.

 

[BE Mike]

It would have to be a revolver that holds up to firing service loads every quarter, so I'd say the S&W 686. Love the model 19 and 66, but they won't hold up to shooting .357 mag. ammo over a period of time.

 

[mk70ss]

686 Plus four inch

 

[lppd4]

It would have to be a revolver that holds up to firing service loads every quarter, so I'd say the S&W 686. Love the model 19 and 66, but they won't hold up to shooting .357 mag. ammo over a period of time.

How much time and ammo are we talking?

 

[GT_80]

With todays guns or any historical guns?

If it were me, 4" Smith and Wesson model 15 or 4" Ruger GP100. Only reason I put the GP100 is they are less expensive (typically) than blued Smiths in the same category, and they are really tough guns.

Run some good .38 hollowpoint, call it a day. Low recoil, good sights, with 38 they're very accurate and easy to shoot.

 

[BE Mike]

How much time and ammo are we talking?

Depends on the ammo and amount of ammo fired, of course and of course no two revolvers will react the same. There is a reason that when agencies started using duty ammo to qualify every 3 months, shooting 75 rounds each qualification, they switched to the L-frame and Ruger GP.

 

[elm_creek_smith]

With the specification requiring no more than .38 Special +P, I'd order S&W Model 315NG in 2½" and 4¼" for every officer. Detectives and brass could carry either one or be required to carry both like patrol officers.

My last issue gun was a 4" S&W Model 686-6 loaded with Speer .357 Magnum 135grain "Short Barrel" ammo. My backup was a 2" S&W Model 12-2 "Airweight" loaded with Winchester .38 Special 130 grain "Defend" ammo. My last week, I carried my old S&W Model 65-1, against regulations, of course. What were they going to do, retire me?

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[snowman.45]

I started fresh out of the academy in 1977 with a S&W 28-2 that I personally owned. It was my duty gun for two years until I could find a 4" 19 (very hard to come by, at the time). I carried various iterations of the K-frame magnums until we became "enlightened" and issued S&W 645s.

I never felt outgunned with a revolver, and we were a very active area with plenty of occasions to draw a gun. Given the parameters outlined by the OP, today I would issue a 4" 686+. If everyone had hand size to accommodate the grip of a 4" 627, I'd issue that. Might allow 2.75" 66-8s for plainclothes.

In my retirement, I've become more and more nostalgic and realistic in my likely armament needs. While I may carry a 1911 or a Shield Plus, I often revert back to a j-frame, usually a 340 M&P or a 640 Pro loaded with good .38+P rounds.

 

[sjs]

Given the parameters outlined by the OP, today I would issue a 4" 686+. If everyone had hand size to accommodate the grip of a 4" 627, I'd issue that.

I'm curious about your reasons for selecting the 627 over the 686 if hand size allows it.

 

[mg357]

After thoroughly reading the various replies to this thread.
Here are the revolvers that I would procure.

For the uniform officers I would choose a stainless steel Ruger GP100 with a four inch barrel.

For off duty Carry I would special order from the Ruger firearms company.

A Stainless steel Ruger GP100 with a 3 inch barrel.


For the plain clothes personnel I would choose a Ruger SP101 with a three inch barrel.

Which they would carry both on and off duty