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Hi I am new here😀.I have a few questions my grandfather left me a gun( pic) I am also starting a class this week andhave filled out info for my blue card in R.I.
Should I use this gun,or get a new one to shoot with? I am a woman,and last week went to the shooting range and they suggested I start with a 9mm.When I get my card in I am wondering if I should use this s&w...Also the bullets I don't think I should use, I have 3 boxes,but think they are as old as my gun...Which I still haven't totally been able to date yet ..I can't find exact online to identify..thanks for any help
 

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Welcome to the Forum. You have a nice early 32 revolver that shoots 32 S&W cartridges. Sadly not made by S&W. You have an H&R that uses S&W ammo. Still a nice little gun. Mike
 
Looking at the top strap, you have a Harrington & Richardson revolver, not a S&W, but it is chambered for the .32 S&W cartridge. I am not very familiar with H&R dating, but I have a S&W .32 S&W "Bicycle Gun" of very similar vintage, which was June of 1907.

First Welcome to the S&W Forum. In answer to your question, the age of the revolver and the caliber it is chambered for should preclude it from being used for self defense. The cartridge is very under-powered, and the age of the gun causes me to worry about brittle internal parts that can break easy and not be reliable.

For self defense, there are several guns a new shooter should consider. A 9mm is a very popular caliber, but also 38 Special is also very popular. As a new shooter just learning I would stick to one of these and avoid the more powerful calibers until you have more experience controlling a handgun..The 9mm is normally always in a semi-automatic handgun, and the 38 Special normally always in a revolver.

If possible try out several of both at a shooting range after you have had your class.

The little H&R you have appears to be in excellent condition, and you may wish to have a gunsmith check it out for functioning and give it a cleaning, I imagine possibly 100 years of sitting around would have caused the oils to gum up and harden. If it is O.K. you may shoot it, but very sparingly. Hopefully someone with better knowledge of the H&R will come along and provide further information.
 
My suggestion is to keep this one as a family heirloom. It doesn't shoot the best defensive round. Get yourself a quality .38 special revolver to begin with and when you become more experienced/ confident, then you may want to step up to a 9mm.
A S&W Model 442 or 642 revolver is an excellent choice. An excellent 9mm would be a S&W Shield. I'm sure others will chime in with other suggestions. Good Luck and welcome to the Forum and shooting! ;)
 
I can't see all of the markings but it looks just like just like mine. An H&R Forth Variation, Premier Automatic from around 1914-15. It's called an Automatic because when you break it open and pull the barrel down to 90 degrees it automatically ejects the shell if it is being held upside down. Warning! if you hold it upright with ammo in it and pull it all the way down to 90 degrees the ejection star will push the shells up and then let them fall back down into the cylinders behind the star. Thus trapping the shells behind the ejector and locking them in. I bit of a pain to sort out.
You will not find many gunsmiths that will want to mess with it. Of course a "good" smith will have no problem.
It could be a back up gun but it will be marginal for defensive purposes. I like my S&W model 60 38spl.
 
Guys thank you so much! I have been searching for months on the internet and you already gave me so much better info then I came up with!thank you I am going to rent the 38 special when I go to the range to try next,I am glad you told me of how they can get locked in there thankfully before I did it.Im gonna take on more pic now
 
Pics in Philly box old ammo...
 

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What do you think the value would be?

Typically small frame topbreaks dont bring a lot of money even smith and wessons unless they are mint. Your H&R appears mint so I would say the value is in about the 250 range. Not a lot of money but way more than an average one would be worth.
 
That's a nice family heirloom you have there. I'd shoot it some just for fun and nostalgia. ;)
As far as the old ammo goes, as long as it isn't corroded or real funky looking, it will probably be just fine. Although it wouldn't hurt to have a knowledgeable shooter check it over. Actually, that old ammo may well be collectible in its own right depending on just how old it is.

I'd suggest that you find a range that rents guns and try a few to see what suits you. Generally a revolver is better for a new shooter because of its simple and easy. Many ladies choose a small frame revolver because they are small, light and easy to carry. However, the recoil may be more than you can handle.
Semi-autos are fine too. However some people have trouble loading magazines or racking the slide.
There are some who steer a woman to a small, light gun. However, I personally know ladies that regularly shoot full size 1911s and magnum revolvers.
While knowledgeable guidance is a good thing, don't let anybody tell you what you should buy. You need to try as many guns as you can to see what suits you. ;)
 
Nice little H&R. The pictured ammo isn’t as old as the gun. Probably closer to 1950’s-1960’s era, and I wouldn’t consider it very collectible yet, and if not corroded and in good shape, will be fine to shoot.
 
I would suggest attending a women's shooting club. "A girl and a gun" is the one my wife goes to here in TX, I am certain there is similar there. You can get a lot of good info and possibly try some of what they use.
 
While the .32 S&W is not the ideal defensive caliber, it is probably as good as using a .22, .25, or .32 automatic. Often more important than the caliber is being able to put your shot into the right place - usually the upper chest or head.

For most women, a small automatic pistol chambered in .380 ACP represents a good compromise of weight, concealability, controllability in rapid fire, and effectiveness. And that would be my recommendation.
 
Lots of good advice here. Thanks for posting, I have a fondness for the little H&Rs, and yours is in great condition. You don't see that very often - looks like a great heirloom!
 
Caution, for women shooting those small semi-auto pistols,,,,when gripping the handle, be sure the slide does not recoil back and cut the web of your hand between thumb and fore finger!!!
Our Texas CHL classes require 50 rounds be fired, and almost ALL of the female students end up with cuts and bleeding there!
They do not cry or complain as they WANT to pass and get their CHL license.
So, just be aware of this and advise your female partner of this.
And,,,,go get your CHL !!
 
Guys thank you so much! I have been searching for months on the internet and you already gave me so much better info then I came up with!thank you I am going to rent the 38 special when I go to the range to try next,I am glad you told me of how they can get locked in there thankfully before I did it.Im gonna take on more pic now

Assuming you are not terribly acquainted with S&W revolvers (my favorite brand!), please be aware that the small framed (J Frame) revolvers are available in both steel framed (blued, some nickel plated, and stainless steel), as well as light weight (Airweights and a few other names as well). The alloy framed ones are noticeably lighter and folks like to carry them. But many do not like to shoot them much because they recoil more due to the gun's light weight. Recoil is a very subjective force and some are more or less sensitive to it. But there is a difference.
If you have the opportunity to shoot both, you will notice this. Many of us, me included, feel that a .38 Special cartridge from a good premium brand (made especially for self defense) is sufficient for the purpose. Ammo is made in standard pressure as well as +P pressure. The +P stuff is loaded to a higher pressure and velocity and therefore has more recoil potential, which will be more noticeable in the light weight frames. Getting used to this can be worked up to.

Be aware that there are many different choices for grips for revolvers. It is important to know that recoil will be felt less if you have a set of grips on the gun that fit your hand properly. The shape and size of the grips will also determine how well your trigger finger reaches the trigger. A correct reach to the trigger is important to be able to fire as accurately as possible.

A good round to use for familiarization or during your tryouts would be the 148 grain full wadcutter. These are practice rounds but are also fairly well regarded as suitable for serious social encounters by some of us. They are about the easiest shooting rounds you will find. You might also find this caliber of bullet available with a round nosed lead bullet at standard pressure that would be nearly as good for practice but not for self defense. +P rounds can range from fairly mild to ones with lots of blast (sound) and recoil. (Be sure to do your shooting with a good set of ear muffs because, aside from hearing damage that can and will occur, that loud sound also contributes to what we call "flinch" as does the recoil.

Remember that you need to have a personal protection gun that fits your hand, that you can operate and function well, and with which you can hit what you aim at. Most any bullet, if it hits where it needs to hit and penetrates deeply enough to reach vital areas, will do the job. But if you cannot deliver the rounds you shoot to those places on demand, your gun will not be worth much to you beyond psychological value. Your hand size and strength will have a lot to do with what you should choose. I also like and recommend the S&W Shield in 9MM. But you must be able to grip the slide and rack it safely to lock it back or to load the gun for firing. A good friend might be able to help you if they are experienced with this sort of thing, but remember, your choice should be what you find to be best for you, not what is best for the friend!

Good luck in your search. And I agree that the fine little revolver that you have is a family heirloom and probably is best to be kept for what it is!
 
...Often more important than the caliber is being able to put your shot into the right place - usually the upper chest or head.

For most women, a small automatic pistol chambered in .380 ACP represents a good compromise of weight, concealability, controllability in rapid fire, and effectiveness. And that would be my recommendation.

^^THIS^^ - in spades!

A nice little 380 caliber all metal pistol with some full power hardball ammo would be my recommendation too. If I could persuade my wife to carry a firearm for personal self protection a new Sig, Kimber, or Colt 380 would be what she'd be carrying. They will be mild enough in recoil for you to be willing and able to practice enough to get good at shooting it - and that is the #1 most important thing IMO.

Once you're really proficient with the small 380 semi-auto, you can try some of the smaller 9mm pistols to see if they suit you. If so, great, step up to the more powerful caliber. If not, then stick with the 380 that you have developed proficiency with.

P.S. In this case my definition of proficiency would be the ability to hit a paper plate with 3 or 4 shots in 5-10 seconds from about 20 feet away. When you can do that you have developed the marksmanship skills required for self defense.
 
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Go to the range, or ranges, several times. Rent and shoot whatever brands, types, and calibers seem interesting
Listen to suggestions, but make your own decisions.
Get and carry whatever handgun you feel comfortable with.
DO NOT let some yahoo at the range tell you "Little lady you need this (Whatever they are trying to sell).

My wife and 2 daughters have carried S&W steel framed J frames (Models 36 and 60) for years and they love them.
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