Concealed Carry Permit. Is This True?

[S&W-in-CA]

I'm in California. You guys are making me jealous. I'm 74, I've had numerous classes over the years and had armed guard cert, for a few years. I would love to get a ccw just for protection but, here, you need a very good reason.

Bob - "A very good reason" is no longer required in any county in California following the Bruen decision by the Supreme Court. The state has thrown up some fairly onerous roadblocks like a 16-hour class requirement for new CCW applicants, and some counties are much slower than others in processing applications. But go ahead and get that application in, every day you wait is another day longer it will take.

 

[ColoCoug]

I'm OK with permits that have class requirements, because I believe the more competent that people doing concealed carry are, the safer everyone around them is. I'm one of those around them, so I feel better if they have taken actual classes and done at least some range training.

 

[bobcantshoot]

I’m in California too.

Today it depends on which County you live in. In a Red County just a few days and in a Blue County two years. A friend just got his in San Francisco and it was 1 1/2 years.

Now I know a Veteran buddy who got his CCW in Riverside 1980 because he was a plumber. That reminds me of another Veteran who got his for Los Angeles 1975 because he was a Clerk in a Bank.

I'm in the desert outskirts of L.A. Mostly Dems in LA County. I don't transport large sums of money and retired. Just want to be able to have the option. Law enforcement is understaffed everywhere and I need to be able to rely on myself.

 

[RobertG1948]

I'm in California. You guys are making me jealous. I'm 74, I've had numerous classes over the years and had armed guard cert, for a few years. I would love to get a ccw just for protection but, ,here, you need a very good reason.

The " very good reason" is unconstitutional.

 

[S&W-in-CA]

I'm in the desert outskirts of L.A. Mostly Dems in LA County. I don't transport large sums of money and retired. Just want to be able to have the option. Law enforcement is understaffed everywhere and I need to be able to rely on myself.

Bob - You have the option now. It may take some time after you apply, but no time like today to start. If you are in unincorporated LA County, here is the link LA County CCW

 

[Mongo!]

FL permits are issued through dept of Agriculture. They do require a course. It’s quick easy and cheap. Give them a call and they’ll explain the process

If you are a military veteran you don't need any class.

 

[jbenedetto2]

Arizona is a Constitutional Carry state. There are restrictions. One restriction is without a concealed carry permit you are not allowed to enter an establishment that sells alcohol. That may include a bar, restaurant, maybe even a grocery store. Not sure about the grocery store. With a permit you can enter but not drink alcohol.

 

[Revelation]

I think that we must persist for full reciprocity anywhere and everywhere in the USA. Why should this be any different than being a licensed driver, who is free to travel anywhere and everywhere while in possession and control of a Weapon of Mass Destruction.

 

[DixieRanger]

Got a CC in '94. Carried before that but now legal. Took the instructor course too.

 

[Navy vet]

I ahve noticed that more and more states are only recognizing out of state permits if you are a resident of the state that issued the permit. Hence, PA may not recognize your Utah permit if you are a resident of Florida.

In PA, if you have a valid CCW permit you just need to fill out the paperwork, pay the $25 and go to York PA to get your picture taken and pick up your license. I understand you are making a point about reciprocity between states. Actually Utah and PA are bad examples because Utah is one of the states that is recognized most often and PA does honor Utah's CCW. But you make a good point otherwise.

 

[rwt1405]

In PA, if you have a valid CCW permit you just need to fill out the paperwork, pay the $25 and go to York PA to get your picture taken and pick up your license. I understand you are making a point about reciprocity between states. Actually Utah and PA are bad examples because Utah is one of the states that is recognized most often and PA does honor Utah's CCW. But you make a good point otherwise.

I may be incorrect, but I believe that you are mistaken

My understanding of PA reciprocity is, as was stated by raljr1, that PA ONLY recognizes Utah CFP's held by Utah residents

So as long as you are a Utah resident, and hold a Utah CFP, you are fine, and ONLY if you are a Utah resident

PA does NOT recognize Utah CFP's held by NON-Utah residents

I've held a PA LTCF since 1985

 

[9Mary7]

Showing you are armed/pulling your gun is Aggravated Assault with a Deadly Weapon

Depends.....

There is no such thing as Citizen's Arrest. Case law has abolished that. You are not a Peace Officer or Law Enforcement Officer and have no arrest powers or legal power to "keep the Peace". Everyone is Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Holding someone at gunpoint is kidnapping by force of arms.

Maybe not in New Mexico, but in 'Merica Citizen's Arrest all the time.

 

[Navy vet]

I may be incorrect, but I believe that you are mistaken

My understanding of PA reciprocity is, as was stated by raljr1, that PA ONLY recognizes Utah CFP's held by Utah residents

So as long as you are a Utah resident, and hold a Utah CFP, you are fine, and ONLY if you are a Utah resident

PA does NOT recognize Utah CFP's held by NON-Utah residents

I've held a PA LTCF since 1985

That is correct. And I should have been more clear. But the point I was making that if you hold a resident CCW in most states (if not all, but not sure) PA will issue you a PA nonresident CCW. Only thing is you gotta go in person to get picture taken. If anyone planning on doing this, keep in mind, only certain County Sheriff's allow non resident CCW. York County approved mine. Made an appointment, was in and out in less than 10 minutes.

 

[HARLEY0]

North Carolina mandates eight hour classroom plus 30 rd live fire course. NO non residence permits. Internet permit is "BS"

I'm in NC when I got my permit it was first day classroom next day live fire. I owned a class 3 - 9mm sub gun at the time so after we all fired are 30 rds., we took turns firing my sub gun!

 

[Astro14]

I also have an Utah CC. Took a 4 hour accredited class here in Virginia Beach, offered at my local gun store, a big outfit. I think the class was $75 or $100. Link to the store below.

After the class, send in the certificate, passport photo, a completed application, along with proof of identity and the fee ($65 or so) to the Utah Dept. of Public Safety.

About two months later, my Utah CC showed up in the mail at my house in Virginia Beach. Renewal 5 years later was a matter of application and fee, having had the class and identity part already done with the 1st permit.

I got the Utah CC because, at the time, I was working in Colorado, and Colorado would not recognize either my FL or VA CC. But they did have a reciprocal agreement with Utah.

So, yes, I have 3 CCWs. Still can’t carry in places like NY or MA but I am good in many states.

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[JimFr]

Gotta’ laugh at the (useless) Utah permit here in New England.
Nobody here can utilize the Utah permit ‘cause there’s no way to drive from ANYWHERE here in New England without traveling through New York!

 

[RebCop]

Gun guy here 69 years old., yes I know should have applied years ago like my wife and kids did. Question? I keep seeing ads on the gun channels that I can answerer 6 questions and get my permit. No classroom or shooting. All on line and I am preapproved because I live in Florida. Is this true? Or a scam?

Hell most red states don't have to answer questions. Just have a clean background with no felonies.

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

I think that we must persist for full reciprocity anywhere and everywhere in the USA. Why should this be any different than being a licensed driver, who is free to travel anywhere and everywhere while in possession and control of a Weapon of Mass Destruction.

Apples and oranges.

Some states have no training requirements for CCW Permit while if you got a Driver’s License you know how to drive a car.

 

[Bob A.]

Handgunlaw.us is full of information regarding permits, reciprocity etc. Excellent site. You can see what states honor your permit, whether you have a "duty to inform" the police that you're armed, and information on how and where to go online to get more information from the states involved.

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

4. There is no such thing as Citizen's Arrest. Case law has abolished that. You are not a Peace Officer or Law Enforcement Officer and have no arrest powers or legal power to "keep the Peace". Everyone is Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Holding someone at gunpoint is kidnapping by force of arms.

#4 you are wrong.

• Conditions for Citizen's Arrest:
  • Public Offense in Presence: A citizen can arrest someone for a public offense (misdemeanor or felony) that is committed or attempted in their presence.
    
    
  • Felony Not in Presence: If a felony has been committed, even if not witnessed by the citizen, they can still make an arrest if they have reasonable cause to believe the person they are arresting committed the felony.
    
  • Inform the Person: Citizens must inform the person being arrested of the reason for the arrest.
    
    
  • Use Reasonable Force: Citizens can use reasonable force to detain the person, but this force must be proportionate to the situation.
    
    
  • Contact Law Enforcement: The citizen must promptly turn the arrested person over to law enforcement.