Rastoff
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Well, that will depend on what's on the label and what's actually on the gun, doesn't it?
new Sport 15 mislabled: 1/9 v. 1/8 5R = not happy
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Rastoff
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No, we need someone to go to the store and look at one on the rack.So we need someone to take one for the team then.
1HUNTERATWORK
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After the second, who remembers the first?
NJEMT911
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I just bought mine new and on the handguard label is says "1 in 8" twist, 5R Rifling" but the actual barrel on the rifle is a 1/9.
That's why I called them and they offered me a full refund but I took a free M&P nylon rifle case instead. I think it's a fair compromise..
cyphertext
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They offered a full refund... if you were truly unhappy, that would have been the best solution. However, you compromised and received a gift and are happy... Happy customer, problem resolved.
JaPes
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Let's see...
From S&W's perspective, it probably was less expensive to give and ship you that bag than it would have cost them (labor, shipping) to process a return on the rifle.
I'm not saying that the Nylon Rifle case is a bad choice. I guess if you were truly unhappy with the 15-Sport 1:9 you would have returned it.
- S&W Nylon Rifle Case = $120 MSRP. That's S&W distributing them to a retailer. So S&W is the distributor... figure that bag cost S&W about $40
- 16" 1:8 5R Melonite Treated barrel with a .223 Wylde Chamber (closest I could find) = $210 from a retailer. I'm guessing a margin of 10%. Maybe that barrel cost the retailer about $190. Distributor/manufacturer cost $140.
From S&W's perspective, it probably was less expensive to give and ship you that bag than it would have cost them (labor, shipping) to process a return on the rifle.
I'm not saying that the Nylon Rifle case is a bad choice. I guess if you were truly unhappy with the 15-Sport 1:9 you would have returned it.
NJEMT911
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I thought it was a good compromise.. At first they only offered me the refund or 2 free PMags.. When they told me that the mags were on backorder, I asked if they could substitute the case instead since I have plenty of mags already and need a case for it. They said that would be fine. So.. That's what I agreed to. I'm a very satisfied customer and will continue to be loyal to them.
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My guess is that 99% of those who buy a Sport do so because of price. S&W offering to refund full retail is quite good, but I'm thinking that the offer would rarely be accepted. That they also offered free stuff as an alternative to returning the rifle is an effort to keep the customer smiling. S&W is a class act.
JaPes
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I didn't imply that was a bad thing. IMO, the 15 Sport 1:8 or 1:9 is an excellent rifle. Anything free on top of that is a bonus.
Rastoff
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Here, I put the whole string together so you could see it all in one post. We were talking about the 15T, but you bought a Sport. Different guns. The 15T is still listed on the S&W website as having a 1:8 twist rate where the Sport now has the 1:9 listed on the website. M&P15 - Smith & Wesson
NJEMT911
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Either way, my sport was mislabeled on the hand guard label too and they took care of me.
schgsd
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I diverted a little from the thread, because what I was wondering is are there 1:8 twist 5R barrels still in existence at S&W.
Having seen things manufactured for many years, I'm betting there's a few boxes of them somewhere gathering dust in a corner. Perhaps a cosmetic fail in QC for one reason or another. Maybe just not enough to fire up an assembly line long enough to justify the time and effort.
If there are, and S&W is now watching this forum because of the recent mishaps with labeling, might I suggest that S&W offer them first to those of us here in the M&P Rifles Forum.
NJEMT911
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I diverted a little from the thread, because what I was wondering is are there 1:8 twist 5R barrels still in existence at S&W.
Having seen things manufactured for many years, I'm betting there's a few boxes of them somewhere gathering dust in a corner. Perhaps a cosmetic fail in QC for one reason or another. Maybe just not enough to fire up an assembly line long enough to justify the time and effort.
If there are, and S&W is now watching this forum because of the recent mishaps with labeling, might I suggest that S&W offer them first to those of us here in the M&P Rifles Forum.
Well, the rep told me that they don't make the 1/8 5R barrel anymore but, the clearly do because it's available here: Product: Model M&P15T Upper Assembly
So, I don't know if the reps even know what they're talking about. I might call them back and point all that out and see what they say..
Rastoff
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The website cannot be trusted for accurate information. As an example, they had the M&P listed in .357Sig for a long time after they were discontinued.
cyphertext
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No, the MOE rifle has a barrel made from 4150 steel vs. the 4140 steel that came on the Sport and the 15T. Same twist rate and rifling, but different barrel.
schgsd
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Someones gotta take one for the team and buy a 15T so we know. 
Rastoff
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Again, no they don't. All it will take is someone to go to the store and look at one. No buying necessary.Someones gotta take one for the team and buy a 15T so we know.
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No no. First buy and transfer, take home and then inspect the rifle.
Have we officially gone full circle in this thread?
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Rastoff
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Well, the logic used by some here certainly seems circular.
JaPes
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Have we officially gone full circle in this thread?
I was at the store with my friend. She's a hot 38 year old woman who's into motorcycles, cars, guns, and keeping bikini fit year round. Anyways we went to the LGS to take a look at a M&P 15 Sport. We took a look at a rifle right out of the box. The barrel was stamped 1:9 but the barrel wrap sticker had a 1:8 5R label. I pointed this out to my friend, but she just wanted the rifle.
It wasn't until later on in the day, while were relaxing in a hot tub sipping on mimosas, did she start wondering whether or not she got a good deal or not. It totally ruined my afternoon. I had to hop out of the hot tub and just get away from her.
Now we're full circle and then some.
JaPes
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Everything but Ginger and Mary Ann has been debated here so far, but I'm still wondering what S&W had to say.
Well I have to correct this right now.
We know what S&W said. Now Ginger and Mary Ann has been brought up. The thread is now complete.
schgsd
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uncledoggle
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Some broken hearts never mend.
Some dreams will never end.
Some barrels always lie.
And this freaking horse needs to die.
Some dreams will never end.
Some barrels always lie.
And this freaking horse needs to die.
gunny4053
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He's a poet, his feet show it, they're Longfellows.
By the way, Mary Ann lives just up the road a few miles from here.
Now, to the OP, what are you hearing from S&W? Inquiring minds want to know.
I have two Sports
I bought the first one in 2013 and it had the 1/8r barrel. Great rifle.
I bought another one last year and it had the 1/9 barrel. Great
rifle.
At the distances of over a 100 yards I have shot them while hunting, I have not seen a speck of difference in the two. The rifles look just as good as the day I took them out of the box.
I have no qualms when I grab either one when I go to the ranch. I do not have optics on them, just an offset flashlight mounted for when I have to be out walking at night.
I have run 40-75 grain .223/5.56 rounds thru them and they give the same accuracy.
Only thing I wish S&W would do is put a lightweight barrel on them. My next rifle will be a Del-ton Sport. Only reason is because it has the lightweight pencil barrel. It does have the forward assist and dust cover, but the light barrel is what I want. Same price as a S&W Sport.
Hmmm. I could change my mind and get another S&W Sport, but I think it will go with the lighter barrel Del-ton in the end.
I bought the first one in 2013 and it had the 1/8r barrel. Great rifle.
I bought another one last year and it had the 1/9 barrel. Great
rifle.
At the distances of over a 100 yards I have shot them while hunting, I have not seen a speck of difference in the two. The rifles look just as good as the day I took them out of the box.
I have no qualms when I grab either one when I go to the ranch. I do not have optics on them, just an offset flashlight mounted for when I have to be out walking at night.
I have run 40-75 grain .223/5.56 rounds thru them and they give the same accuracy.
Only thing I wish S&W would do is put a lightweight barrel on them. My next rifle will be a Del-ton Sport. Only reason is because it has the lightweight pencil barrel. It does have the forward assist and dust cover, but the light barrel is what I want. Same price as a S&W Sport.
Hmmm. I could change my mind and get another S&W Sport, but I think it will go with the lighter barrel Del-ton in the end.
What will the 1-8" do that the 1-9 will not do. I do not have an AR but am thinking about the Sport. I want to shoot 55gr rounds mostly, but if it stabilizes the heavier rounds as well as the 55's then what's the big deal?
sgtsandman
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There isn't a huge difference between the two. The point of this thread is that the rifle bought by the OP was marked as having one barrel twist but the barrel was marked as having another.
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