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I have been shooting 22's for sometime now, honestly my favorite caliber to shoot not only because it is cheap but just plan fun. I have several other 22 rifles and pistols. I wanted to get something a little more aggresive looking so I ended up with the S&W M&P 15/22. It was not good enough stock so I changed a few things.

Couple questions that I have yet to find an answer to is what is the main reason or is there even a reason other then prefernce, to which way the red dot mount faces? I see it in both directions and I cant understand if it is a personal thing or if there is a right or wrong way? Any help there is greatly appreciated? I put 2 pictures in this thread 1 of the mount facing to the front and 1 facing to the rear for reference.

Also I see some of you have colored in letters on the gun, I heard it is done with crayon but how? Just by coloring it in?

And finally I want to install the mag well grip that I see some have where can I find that? And ony other bad *** add ons you might be able to suggest maybe a flashlight? Where can I get a reasonable priced light?

Added: (all magpul items are true magpul not the pts china ****)
Hogue grip not yet installed (just ordered)
Leapers UTG red dot with quick disconnect high mount
Paracord adjustable sling
Magpul AFG
Magpul sling attacthment point
Magpul backup front and rear flip up moe sights

Red dot mount facing to the back
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mount facing to the front
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Thanks.....
Yeah there is so much info I am having a hard time concentrating on my main concerns.
 
Welcome Aboard!

The manual for the RDS should indicate which way it is to face.

Yes, just color in the writing and wipe off the excess with a rag and some WD-40. You can also use acrylic hobby paint, lacquer sticks or Sharpie Paint Pens.

The general consensus is that the MagWell is not a good idea on the 15-22. It has to be modified to make it fit and holding on the the magazine often introduces feeding problems. A more satisfactory arrangement seems to be the AFG2 back close to the magazine well, instead of forward. The exception is if you are going to be doing plate or other speed shooting competition. Then the consensus is to put it completely forward, at the end of the bottom rail.

I don't shoot at night, so I have no information about lights. There are a bunch of them at just about every retailer. Before I bought a light, I'd replace the pistol grip with a Hogue or MagPul. There are a couple of other brands, too.

If you are going to be into more than casual plinking, replacing the FCG with a GOOD one is the best investment you can make towards accuracy and shooting ease. The stock trigger is acceptable, but that's about it.
 
I would run the red dot mount facing forward so it can be mounted on the receiver and not the fore end. If your barrel nut works loose, you will have a wobbly barrel AND quad rail.
 
MAJORlK: I dont really do any competitions I just shoot for fun so I will pass on the mag grip. I do have the Magpul AFG2 installed and it is close to the receiver since I like to hold a closer grip I really dont like my arm completly stretched out.
I did already order this grip from hogue, hopefully it is the correct one.
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shawnr5: I curently have the red dot mounted facing foward like in the 2nd picture. I also have the magpul afg2 mounted close to the receiver, I like a tigher closer grip on the gun. Is that the way you are talking about? It is mounted over the receiver and not on the fore end?
 
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As shanr5 says, the main thing is that the mount should be on the receiver portion of the rail. As long as that is the case, it doesn't matter so much which way it's pointing. In fact, many/most red dots can use mounts that have no cantilever at all. In my experience, the main reason for the cantilever is for when mounting scopes, to keep them mounted on the receiver portion of the rail, while keeping enough eye relief (typically about 3.5") between your normal eye position and the end of the scope. Position is not nearly as critical with a red dot, as it has infinite eye relief, so you have a lot more leeway.
 
I ahve also been keeping my eye on the barrel shrouds but I am not sure if I want one yet, because it states that it will leave a mark on the stock barrel from the set screw
 
It sounds like you have it installed correctly, like the 2nd picture, mount facing forward and my preference as others have said is as far forward on the receiver as possible.
 
Zax said:
It sounds like you have it installed correctly, like the 2nd picture, mount facing forward and my preference as others have said is as far forward on the receiver as possible.
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Cool thanks. I just wanted to make sure. I just ordered the tacticool shroud too. I bought this gun to leave alone and not modify but that is just to damn hard:D
 
Here's a link to the mag well I purchased from Amazon.

Amazon.com: New Mako Grip Black Ar Rifles Mwg High Quality Excellent Performance Popular: Sports & Outdoors

It was a pain in the butt to dremel down correctly (lots of trial and error), but worth it.

I also colored in with crayon. You simply "push" the crayon into the grooves. Slowly it all fills in, and looks good. The actual wax comes off the crayon and fills the gap.

Just be clean and careful doing it. If you're sloppy with it, its kind of a pain to clean the excess of the remainder of the gun.
 
ModMyM&P said:
Here's a link to the mag well I purchased from Amazon.

Amazon.com: New Mako Grip Black Ar Rifles Mwg High Quality Excellent Performance Popular: Sports & Outdoors

It was a pain in the butt to dremel down correctly (lots of trial and error), but worth it.

I also colored in with crayon. You simply "push" the crayon into the grooves. Slowly it all fills in, and looks good. The actual wax comes off the crayon and fills the gap.

Just be clean and careful doing it. If you're sloppy with it, its kind of a pain to clean the excess of the remainder of the gun.
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I might end up trying it but the more I look at it I like the blacked out look.
 
What is your reason for wanting a light? I could see a need if you shoot or hunt in the dark, or if you are doing tactical low training. I think alot of people go crazy with weapon attachments and find out later they don't need them or don't use them. It also adds weight to the gun.
 
Gunzilla said:
I see you found you way over to this forum.....welcome aboard. :D
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Yes. Thanks there are lot more ideas for this gun here.

I dont do any night shooting and like you said tossed that Idea out since it would be a waste. I did order the shroud from Tacticool.
 
I have added an extended charging latch, fore grip, butt pad, NDZ SBR and a Nikon P-22 scope on a PEPR mount. However, the best tactical addition was a CMC flat trigger at 3.5 lbs. Enough can't be said for a really good FCG, it makes the gun perform so much better. I mainly shoot competitions with this gun so all of my mods have been done with this in mind. The other cool accessory is the Black Dog 50 round mag. If there is anywhere near you with any kind of tactical matches you should give them a try, they are great fun and great training. Good luck and welcome to the club.
RichH
 
I applaud your original intention to "leave the gun alone" and empathize with your inability to do so. What I think most of us find is that the 15-22 is easy to accessorize and (like the 1911) everybody has their own idea of what the "ideal" gun would be. I've gone way beyond what I originally thought the gun should look like and I've hardly scratched the surface! I think that is one reason I just bought a Henry Golden Boy; it's just too pretty to mess with!
 
OldEagleEars said:
I applaud your original intention to "leave the gun alone" and empathize with your inability to do so. What I think most of us find is that the 15-22 is easy to accessorize and (like the 1911) everybody has their own idea of what the "ideal" gun would be. I've gone way beyond what I originally thought the gun should look like and I've hardly scratched the surface! I think that is one reason I just bought a Henry Golden Boy; it's just too pretty to mess with!
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Thanks, atleast I can say I tried. The main reason I was going to leave this one alone is because I just got done building a ruger 10/22 from the receiver up & that turned into a big price tag.
For now I am happy with the upgrades I have done. Like I said I just picked up the slip on barrel shroud. I will put that on and maybe leave it a lone for awhile. I am sure my bank account would like that.
 
ironruger said:
Thanks, atleast I can say I tried. The main reason I was going to leave this one alone is because I just got done building a ruger 10/22 from the receiver up & that turned into a big price tag.
For now I am happy with the upgrades I have done. Like I said I just picked up the slip on barrel shroud. I will put that on and maybe leave it a lone for awhile. I am sure my bank account would like that.
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Pic of the shroud on?
 
i have the same red dot that i just replaced. if you look at both pics, your red dot is the same way which is correct. the mount itself does not really matter. for placement, most people go towards the front of the receiver without mounting to the handguard which can flex.

i actually used nail polish cause it was cheap and easy to clean up, just use acetone free remover so you dont damage the finish.

btw not all mapgul pts parts are made in china, just the replica. the pts line is an actual magpul line for airsoft that is high quality. its the replicas that are chinese made.

once you have decent optics and a comfortable grip, the FCG is your next place to upgrade as mentioned. i just did the jp yellow springs for a slightly lighter pull and polished the mating surfaces slightly to make it smoother.

btw welcome and enjoy!
 
w0ady said:
i have the same red dot that i just replaced. if you look at both pics, your red dot is the same way which is correct. the mount itself does not really matter. for placement, most people go towards the front of the receiver without mounting to the handguard which can flex.

i actually used nail polish cause it was cheap and easy to clean up, just use acetone free remover so you dont damage the finish.

btw not all mapgul pts parts are made in china, just the replica. the pts line is an actual magpul line for airsoft that is high quality. its the replicas that are chinese made.

once you have decent optics and a comfortable grip, the FCG is your next place to upgrade as mentioned. i just did the jp yellow springs for a slightly lighter pull and polished the mating surfaces slightly to make it smoother.

btw welcome and enjoy!
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Thanks I will try to get it out to the range tomorrow and sight in the flip sights and red dot. I bought both the pts magpul sights and the moe version. The quality was far superior for the moe version sights. The pts felt like a low grade plastic. Either way I am very happy with my setup. I just need to get a barrel wrench now
 
Great info here even some sarcasm. I didnt know buying a barrel nut wrench would cause such a debate:D
 
ironruger said:
Great info here even some sarcasm. I didnt know buying a barrel nut wrench would cause such a debate:D
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It's kinda like a newspaper or a TV station - you never know what will get fixated on when it's a "slow news day". :)

PLEASE don't take any difference of opinion personally; they are seldom meant to be that way.

Have Fun with your 15-22; that's the whole idea.
 
Majorlk said:
It's kinda like a newspaper or a TV station - you never know what will get fixated on when it's a "slow news day". :)

PLEASE don't take any difference of opinion personally; they are seldom meant to be that way.

Have Fun with your 15-22; that's the whole idea.
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Just saw this post after I posted on the other thread about the barrel nut wrench. I can take sarcasm with the best of them but if one dishes it one must be able to take it. No hard feelings here. I am learning on this rifle its the first one of its kind that I have owned.:D
 
ironruger said:
I am learning on this rifle its the first one of its kind that I have owned.:D
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You made a good choice. It certainly fits the category of a "fun gun". I have five other rifles (including 2 .22s and a .223/.5.56) and I shoot this one more than all the others combined.

BTW, shooting a .22 LR vs a centerfire doesn't save you any money - it lets you shoot more for the same amount. :D
 
Majorlk said:
You made a good choice. It certainly fits the category of a "fun gun". I have five other rifles (including 2 .22s and a .223/.5.56) and I shoot this one more than all the others combined.

BTW, shooting a .22 LR vs a centerfire doesn't save you any money - it lets you shoot more for the same amount. :D
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That is true, I went to the range with a buddy last week he brought his AR and we ended up putting that away and just plinked around with my s&w
 
Welcome to the madness. Put your credit cards in a bowl of water, then put that in the freezer. Keeps you from making rash decisions.
I agree with Majorlk, this rifle does not save you any money, but you do get a lot more shooting in.
 
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