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Nice to meet everyone, heres my 15-22...

M&P 15-22
FDE Magpul Ladders, Pistol Grip, RVG, Stock
Black Magpul MBUS, AFG
Sightmark Holographic Sight with Sightmark 7x Side-to-Side Scope
Coming soon: Black Magpul XTM Ladders
Blackdog 50rd Drum
Plinker 35rd Mag
Slidefire recoil enhancer
Faux silencer

Hope to learn lots here! I am in the process of zeroing in all the new optical stuff and magpul bus.

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Looks nice.. Seems like a lot of optics for a 22 IMHO, ESP one that's typically not a tack driver. But it's your rifle, your way!

Otherwise, invest in ammo, esp for the black dog drum and if you attach a slidefire (since you mentioned the recoil enhancer). If you don't get a slidefire, pick up a new trigger as well.

Those items (mags, ammo and trigger) may not enhance the tacticool nature of your rifle. But it will make it more enjoyable to shoot!

If you really want to have fun, get a suppressor (yes, legal in maryland). That plus slide fire plus subsonic or standard velocity ammo is a pretty good giggle factor.

What part of md? I'm in nova and go to wv to shoot..

Cheers!
 
I agree with these guys that man, you have a lot of optics on that gun. Also agree your sight should be on the receiver... not the handguard. Not familiar with Sightmark but I assume you mean you have the slide to side magnifier... not a side to side scope. Initially couldn't figure out why you would mount a holographic sight & a 7x scope at the same time.

I run Primary Arms and Eotech 3X flip to side magnifiers & they are small enough that I can still keep my optic on the receiver. Also, when the magnifier is removed, the optic is still in a great place for me to use properly. I doubt I could see thru your optic with it that far out. I removed my MBUS so as to get the magnifier as far back as possible. With a 22, 3X is all I need as I never shoot beyond 100 yards and mostly shoot inside 50.

Listen to Sithlord. Go for the real thing & get a suppressor. By far & away, it is the best addition I have for any gun. Trouble is, once you get one stamp seems many of us start collecting other stamps. I mean a suppressor on a 15-22 is great but placing it on a SBR 15-22 is just very sweet.
 
Forgot to mention... WELCOME!

Also, I've never used ladders so is there a reason they are not aligned?
 
i have bad eyesight hence the 7x, i was having trouble seeing the .22 hit the target at 50 yards with my bare eyes..

maybe i will return it and get the 5x... thoughts?

Also having the holo forward like that is a good idea imo, i can see it thru the scope and i see less of the actual sight while aiming.

Thanks for the input guys, thats why I joined to see what was being done right and wrong.
 
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Can someone please explain sub vs hypersonic ammo to me?

And trust me I have been stocking up on 22lr where I find it, theres a local pawn shop that always has stock of 22lr but its hollowpoint, and not as cheap as the bulk federal I can get in white marsh for 30/325rds
 
MP1522 HDM said:
Also having the holo forward like that is a good idea imo, i can see it thru the scope and i see less of the actual sight while aiming.

Thanks for the input guys, thats why I joined to see what was being done right and wrong.
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Welcome all the way from the UK.

There IS no right or wrong, just advice and experience. It's your rifle do what you will.

However i do believe that people are referring to the position of the holo-sight and it being mounted on the handguard, which has a degree of flex and may mess with the accuracy of the zero of the sight as opposed to having it mounted on the upper which has no such flex and so is a more stable a platform to mount optics.

Above all, have fun, safe fun but FUN.This is one addictive little rifle and i can almost guarantee that your add-ons will change and swap with the seasons :)
 
GhostMutt said:
Welcome all the way from the UK.

There IS no right or wrong, just advice and experience. It's your rifle do what you will.

However i do believe that people are referring to the position of the holo-sight and it being mounted on the handguard, which has a degree of flex and may mess with the accuracy of the zero of the sight as opposed to having it mounted on the upper which has no such flex and so is a more stable a platform to mount optics.

Above all, have fun, safe fun but FUN.This is one addictive little rifle and i can almost guarantee that your add-ons will change and swap with the seasons :)
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OK I followed the forums advice and removed the rear MBUS, slid both sights further back, def a big difference thanks guys
 
Should I trade the 7x for a 5x for size purposes? I do need at least 5x I feel for my vision. Also great logic behind barrel flex and mounting the sights... makes sense to me. Thats why I joined!
 
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Welcome to the forum. Now hide your credit cards.
The barrel doesn't flex, the plastic hand guard does. You can get around that problem by putting an aluminum hand guard on.
Like it was said before. There is no right or wrong, there is how you like your setup and that will change based on what you are doing.
That's the beauty of these rifles, they can be changed to fit your needs instead of the other way around.
 
MP1522 HDM said:
Should I trade the 7x for a 5x for size purposes? I do need at least 5x I feel for my vision. Also great logic behind barrel flex and mounting the sights... makes sense to me. Thats why I joined!
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With all due respect if your eyesight is that bad you should get advice from an optician. I can hit 6" steel at 50 yds plus with a Sig P938 and I'm short sighted.
 
ATF said:
With all due respect if your eyesight is that bad you should get advice from an optician. I can hit 6" steel at 50 yds plus with a Sig P938 and I'm short sighted.
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I can see the target, but I have trouble seeing where the small 22 hits oftentimes, I shoot at an outdoor range.
 
Try some of the shoot n c targets made by Birchwood Casey. Have you considered putting a scope on your rifle? It sounds like it may fit the type of shooting you are doing better then the red dot, plus may help with the eyesight issues. Welcome to the forum.
 
MP1522 HDM said:
I can see the target, but I have trouble seeing where the small 22 hits oftentimes, I shoot at an outdoor range.
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That's what spotting scopes or binoculars are for!

As far as to your earlier question regarding ammunition velocities (difference between subsonic and high velocity):

In the world of firearms, the sound barrier is used to differentiate types of ammunition. Ammunition which is slower than the speed of sound (generally around 1100 feet per second, depending on altitude, humidity, etc) is subsonic. Everything else is 'high velocity'.

Depending on the projectile and amount of powder, high velocity could be approaching 3000fps. For a 22, the upper bound is around 1600fps IIRC, but typical HV bulk rounds are around 1250-1300 fps.

Because even HV 22 rounds are only slightly faster than the speed of sound, the 22lr will go transonic (ie, go from faster than, to slower than, the speed of sound). This transition can affect the stability and accuracy of the projectile.

A subsonic (as well as most 'standard velocity') round will never go transonic, and will GENERALLY be more accurate as a result.

It will also be quieter because there is no sonic crack.

HTH

Good luck with the optics!
 
MP1522 HDM said:
I can see the target, but I have trouble seeing where the small 22 hits oftentimes, I shoot at an outdoor range.
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No one can see hits at 50 yds on paper. I use binoculars. But for 50 yds a non magnified red dot should be sufficient unless you want sniper accuracy and in that case you would be better off getting a dedicated scope.
 
MP1522 HDM said:
Should I trade the 7x for a 5x for size purposes? I do need at least 5x I feel for my vision. Also great logic behind barrel flex and mounting the sights... makes sense to me. Thats why I joined!
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I have pretty bad eyesight myself. If all you plan on doing is punching holes in paper, and your desire is to get the tightest groups possible, then I too suggest dropping the magnifier & optic & going with a magnified scope. My Leupold Mark 4 is great for such shooting. Me, I normally train for home defense, so hitting a steel plate or cardboard silhouette is fine for me. That is where a red dot (holographic) optic shines... quick acquisition of target at relatively close ranges.

At my home range, I simply walk up to the targets to see where the bullets hit. On a public range, I too suggest getting good binoculars or a spotting scope to see where the bullets hit as opposed to putting a huge magnifier on a red dot. I believe in keeping the gun as light as possible.
 
tacticool22 said:
Welcome to the forum. Now hide your credit cards.
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That is funny coming from you! :D

Just yesterday, I got in your modified free float handguard converter... my 2nd in a few weeks.

I guess it is fitting in this thread, since we are talking about handguards impacting accuracy if the optic is on it, so I'll say it. Your adapter works just great and when used with an Evolution handguard (I now have one on each of my 15-22s), you don't have to grind any parts off the 15-22. The Evolution just slides up on the thermal bushings until it makes contact with the upper. Didn't think I could love my 15-22s any more but danged if that handguard doesn't look great but more importantly... feels incredible.

Tacticool, thanks for the great products you offer us 15-22 guys & thanks for the great service!
 
RedNeck Jim said:
That is funny coming from you! :D

Just yesterday, I got in your modified free float handguard converter... my 2nd in a few weeks.

I guess it is fitting in this thread, since we are talking about handguards impacting accuracy if the optic is on it, so I'll say it. Your adapter works just great and when used with an Evolution handguard (I now have one on each of my 15-22s), you don't have to grind any parts off the 15-22. The Evolution just slides up on the thermal bushings until it makes contact with the upper. Didn't think I could love my 15-22s any more but danged if that handguard doesn't look great but more importantly... feels incredible.

Tacticool, thanks for the great products you offer us 15-22 guys & thanks for the great service!
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Thank you for the kind words. I will have to look into carrying those hand guards besides the ones we have now.
Share some pics here and FB.
 
sithlord said:
That's what spotting scopes or binoculars are for!

As far as to your earlier question regarding ammunition velocities (difference between subsonic and high velocity):

In the world of firearms, the sound barrier is used to differentiate types of ammunition. Ammunition which is slower than the speed of sound (generally around 1100 feet per second, depending on altitude, humidity, etc) is subsonic. Everything else is 'high velocity'.

Depending on the projectile and amount of powder, high velocity could be approaching 3000fps. For a 22, the upper bound is around 1600fps IIRC, but typical HV bulk rounds are around 1250-1300 fps.

Because even HV 22 rounds are only slightly faster than the speed of sound, the 22lr will go transonic (ie, go from faster than, to slower than, the speed of sound). This transition can affect the stability and accuracy of the projectile.

A subsonic (as well as most 'standard velocity') round will never go transonic, and will GENERALLY be more accurate as a result.

It will also be quieter because there is no sonic crack.

HTH

Good luck with the optics!
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This is what my vet dad told me, i should have listened to him (in regards to the spotter scope) i guess i just wanted to do it all on my own. I am going to trade for a 5x or 3x and use binoculars for confirms.
 
GhostMutt said:
Pics or link to a pic.... :D
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Will do, however even as great looking as it is, it is the feel that is so special. I traded Gopher Slayer for his old style Evolution that I put on my SBR. I just got in the new Keymod Evolution for my other 15-22, which I worked another trade with a member here who wanted my unused Slidefire kit.
 
Welcome aboard, you can learn a lot here and save yourself some money in the long run. I have nice quality binoculars but they are only 6X and I still can't see the .22 holes at 50+ yards. My son spots with his 9X Nikon scope and that works well. We trade off and have a great time playing shooter and spotter. There is nothing like spending time at the range with your Son.
 
MP1522 HDM said:
I can see the target, but I have trouble seeing where the small 22 hits oftentimes, I shoot at an outdoor range.
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My corrected vision is 20/20 and I can't see individual holes at 50 yards on regular targets. If I must shoot at paper, I use the so-called shoot and see style of targets. That's why I normally use reactive targets of some kind.
 
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