New York’s proposed gun free zones

[7shooter]

New York is going to pass a number of restrictions on where licensed carriers can carry. There's a large number of areas where guns will be forbidden. John Lott has shown that those will be the places where mass shootings are more likely to occur.

 

[Lonestar57]

Yep, nothing better like the powers in control to help the masses feel safe from all those dangerous people that passed the numerous requirements and checks to legally carry a firearm.

 

[ukcats]

New York's new law should be challenged immediately. Overly limits where you can carry.

 

[stansdds]

Yes, you can now obtain a permit to CCW, but there will be very few places where you will be allowed to use that permit. Backdoor tactic, expect legal challenges in the years to come.

 

[trooper2899]

Carrying a firearm concealed should be mandated by law in the NY City Transit System.....standing on a platform waiting for an incoming train you can be easily thrown onto the tracks by one of the legions of deranged individuals who actually RESIDE in the subway system.

 

[trooper2899]

The new legislation says that if you are legally armed with a firearm you may NOT enter a business or residence unless the occupants have posted a sign indicating that persons armed with a firearm are "Welcome" therein.

 

[steelslaver]

How long will it be before a businesses with such a sign will be informed that they will be liable if a shooting occurs in their store?

 

[CH4]

Exactly!
If a business, church, school, state or municipality is going to forbid you from exercising your constitutional right to protect yourself and others, it becomes their duty to protect you, assuming full responsibility/liability for your safety while you're in their "sensitive area". As a retired cop, I know help is only minutes away, when it was needed a half a second ago.

 

[Baltimoreed11754]

How long will it be before a businesses with such a sign will be informed that they will be liable if a shooting occurs in their store?

That's the rub, somebody's going to get sued if a bystander gets hurt.

 

[Echo40]

I really have to question the logic (or complete lack thereof) that Gun Free Zones are an effective deterrent against gun violence.

Honestly, do they seriously believe that anyone with the capacity or intent to shoot up a place is going to be deterred because of a few signs telling them that they aren't authorized to carry a firearm on the premises?

"Well gee, I was planning to commit mass murder here, but it's a gun free zone... *sigh* Guess I'll have to find somewhere else..." -- Thought no one ever

Seriously, do these people even understand what a criminal is?! I'm sorry, but the peak stupidity at work here is completely baffling.

 

[WR Moore]

The gun free zones are symbolic virtue signaling by people who believe in symbols. Kinda like unarmed security personnel. I think the real intent is to make it so inconvenient to carry that people won't.

What I'd really like to see is mandating that gun free zones provide safe storage for those who may be armed and have/want to enter. When I lived in another state I can recall strolling into the county courthouse/office building and stopping at the Sheriff's Office to store the hardware. I expect it's way different now.

 

[ladder13]

Lawmakers in NY move at lightning speed when they have something that negatively affects lawful people.

 

[blues7]

Lawmakers in NY move at lightning speed when they have something that negatively affects lawful people.

They only care about exerting their authority and power over the people...not whether it accomplishes their stated aim.

It's a sad state of affairs. I imagine those of us who carry under LEOSA will eventually have to bring suit against NY to protect carry rights guaranteed under federal law.

Glad I decided to flee NYC in 1987 after serving as an LEO there for four years, (and having lived there all of my life up to that point).

 

[CH4]

The gun free zones are symbolic virtue signaling by people who believe in symbols. Kinda like unarmed security personnel. I think the real intent is to make it so inconvenient to carry that people won't.

What I'd really like to see is mandating that gun free zones provide safe storage for those who may be armed and have/want to enter. When I lived in another state I can recall strolling into the county courthouse/office building and stopping at the Sheriff's Office to store the hardware. I expect it's way different now.

Yep, "gun free zone" = soft target, the preferred choice for those who want to increase their odds for successfully creating the most carnage.

 

[demkofour]

Lawmakers in NY move at lightning speed when they have something that negatively affects lawful people.

And, of course, an election is on the horizon!

And I'm advised, by someone with connections to the minority inside, that exemptions will exist for Active and Retired LEOs as well as NYS certified armed security guards.

 

[ladder13]

And, of course, an election is on the horizon!

I think the man from LI may pull it off.

 

[Bald1]

As a NY resident who already has an unrestricted permit, the state wants a pizzeria owner to dictate when I can exercise my 2A rights. It would be laughable if it wasn't true. Many local constitutional lawyers and politicians are promising law suits. This will probably end up on the door of SCOTUS as well. Three yrs and counting till I join the mass exodus from this state.

 

[steelslaver]

Montana legislature on gun free zones

Part of HB102 which authorized permitless carry

(4) Zones where guns are prohibited provide an increased risk to the health and safety of citizens because these zones create an unreasonable expectation of government-provided safety, while that safety cannot be provided or ensured.

Another Montana code
45-8-360. Establishment of individual licensure. In consideration that the right to keep and bear arms is protected and reserved to the people in Article II, section 12, of the Montana constitution, a person who has not been convicted of a violent, felony crime and who is lawfully able to own or to possess a firearm under the Montana constitution is considered to be individually licensed and verified by the state of Montana within the meaning of the provisions regarding individual licensure and verification in the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act.

 

[Smoke]

Carrying a firearm concealed should be mandated by law in the NY City Transit System.....standing on a platform waiting for an incoming train you can be easily thrown onto the tracks by one of the legions of deranged individuals who actually RESIDE in the subway system.

How would being armed prevent that happening?

Exactly!
If a business, church, school, state or municipality is going to forbid you the constitutional right to protect yourself and others, it becomes their duty to protect you, assuming full responsibility/liability for your safety while you're in their "sensitive area". As a retired cop, I know help is only minutes away, when it was needed a half a second ago.

What about the property owner's Right to decide what they permit on their property?

 

[ladder13]

Better hope the court stays as constituted for the next couple years at least. Remember Scalia?

 

[ladder13]

My trip to Georgia in May.

 

[riverrat38]

Many in NY City use public transportation, so can't leave their guns locked in their vehicle, like I can. So, it only takes one "gun free zone" to eliminate the possibility of carrying on a shopping trip. Are you just supposed to leave your gun laying on the sidewalk while in a gun free zone. These are the same people who are always clamoring about getting guns "off the street"!

73,
Rick

 

[ladder13]

I believe Justice Thomas wants a go at this one, badly.

 

[Bald1]

Smoke, the property owner can always decide. It can simply hang a sign at entrance that says no firearms. Just as they post signs that say no smoking, no vaping, no loitering etc……. There should never be a presumption of restriction.

And yes , I'm on the Thomas Train for this one. I've been a supporter of him since they put him through the wringer way back when.

 

[Smoke]

Smoke, the property owner can always decide. It can simply hang a sign at entrance that says no firearms. Just as they post signs that say no smoking, no vaping, no loitering etc……. There should never be a presumption of restriction.

And yes , I'm on the Thomas Train for this one. I've been a supporter of him since they put him through the wringer way back when.

Go back and read the post I was responding to.

 

[Bald1]

I re-read it and still think if I can legally do something (anything) then a property owner should have to tell me that action is not welcome on his property. I don't disagree he has that right.

 

[ShowMePro]

Really, y'all had to figure the folks 'in charge' in NY would not take the SC ruling laying down, knew for sure they were gonna figure out a way around it to make life for the law-abiding carriers even harder.

 

[M5GUY]

Gun free zone is only safer than a non gun free zone if you are going to search or use a metal detector to ensure it is in fact a gun free zone. Think about a political rally, they are gun free and typically have metal detectors to check folks as they come in. If a free for all, more guns is safer, was truly the best tactic, these events wouldn't check people right?

 

[CH4]

How would being armed prevent that happening?



What about the property owner's Right to decide what they permit on their property?

Correct, I never said they didn't have the right refuse service.

 

[Smoke]

I re-read it and still think if I can legally do something (anything) then a property owner should have to tell me that action is not welcome on his property. I don't disagree he has that right.

My issue is with the poster saying if a property owner chooses to exercise that right then they should be held accountable their customer's safety