NFA what a joke

[telero]

We are funding the dang operation at $200 each just to shuffle a couple pieces of paper!

Unfortunately I don't think that is true. The way I understand it is that the taxes collected for NFA go to the general fund. The amount of revenue collected doesn't really seem to affect the NFA branch budget.

I don't recall seeing a breakdown of number of tax paid NFA item income collected versus NFA branch cost of operation. But they do a lot more than just tax paid items.

At this point if they wanted to make things move faster they'd have to revamp the process. E-forms is a decent first step and a form 3 should take a matter of minutes to process.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

That my check goes into the general fund isn't the point. The point is that $200 seems like an awful lot to pay for this type of administrative work to then be told that there isn't enough people to do the job in less than a year.

As far as streamlining... I can buy a gun and take possession in three minutes and pay a $10 administrative fee. But I have to pay $200 and wait a year or more for a muffler. No "E-Form" can compensate for this level of stupidity.

 

[telero]

It is the point because the $200 doesn't fund the operation.

You have to remember that $200 is supposed to be a deterrent to people actually getting NFA items. Be glad it hasn't been increased over time. If you want lower wait times but would rather spend $3500 per tax paid application, there would be significantly less applications so the times would be much lower. There would also be very little market, and likely no innovation or product choice. But at that price, I could see a lot more 07/02 licenses being applied for.

It's all about volume. The way I understand it, all NFA items (not just retail market) go through the NFA branch. Every item for military or police (including machine guns) has paperwork. That demand is going up, paperwork is going up. Honestly, I'm not sure I'd like to see the cost of processing all the forms, it might actually be more than all the individual taxes and SOTs that are paid each year.

The only way to reduce wait times at the moment is to make the process better. It's a database/registry and it has to be maintained and correct. Eforms is a start, but it's not mature.

Silencers not being NFA items would also be good. No NFA would be better.


To keep slightly on 15-22 topic, I did submit an eform Form 1 to SBR a 15-22 in August when eforms first became available. It went to first pending immediately, shaving off anywhere from a few weeks to a couple months that it would have taken to just get through the data entry portion of a paper form. At that time the wait was about 9 months. With the eform process I was hoping it would be closer to 7. Now that the times are being reported as 15 months for paper, I have no idea when mine will actually be done. Hopefully within a year from now.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I should be happy that I'm only paying $200 for the privilege of being jerked around for a year? Please allow me to give this due consideration........... nope... not happy.

That the NFA should be repealed we can agree on.

 

[telero]

Didn't say I was happy about that either. I just see how it could be worse.

 

[thebeamanater107]

My theory is that partial government shutdown set everything back a while, which would cause it to jump to 15 months until they catch up... Gun sales and ccp's have jumped up pretty seriously in the recent years. You can see that when you look at the 22lr section on the shelf...

the original point and click interface, by Smith and Wesson

 

[vaeevictiss]

What the hell would the bbb do? First off I don't even think it applies to government agencies. Secondly you knew of the delay beforehand. And lastly the bbb is a damn scam. A business has to buy into the bbb. You really think they do much against paying customers?

Many of us have been there, all you can do is wait, and nothing short of the second coming of Christ will change it unfortunately.

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[roadkill45]

i hope he brings my stamps with Him when He comes!!

 

[97catintenn]

Any updates?

 

[roadkill45]

well Christ has not come back and neither has my stamps. i'm going to give it a couple more weeks, then call the examiner directly to see what is going on. i was able to get a hold of her 2 stamps ago when it seemed like a long time and it was approved the next day. but that was in the days before the insanity, so who knows.

you would figure they could look at the trust and see the amount of NFA on there and approve, all 3 went pending May 5th. i'm done after these, it is not worth the wait, even if you forget about them and have more patience than Job, it is not worth the aggravation i'm putting out toward the ATFE!

 

[ken158]

I have been fooling with NFA since prior to the 86 ban and have experienced transfer times from 2 months to 7 months with my last transfer spring 13. I have done individual and trust transfers and nothing speeds up this process other than what some have suggested (on other forums) of contacting your Congressional representative and making your complaint known. Don't just sit and fuss when you gotta stir the pot!

 

[HRArms]

Dont call. Every second they are talking to is time they are not reviewing.

 

[roadkill45]

i really want to know what they 'examine'. i mean if you pass a handgun/long gun instacheck it should be basically the same except maybe they look into the 3 data bases manually for your name.

it's not like getting a TS security clearance while in the Army when they call your high school teachers!

 

[farmerted]

all 3 went pending May 5th

Have you checked NFA tracker or any other boards where people post when their stamp has come in. Check them out, the ATF is just now sending out stamps for items that went pending in March.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Well... I just called and talked to a guy by the name to Damon or Damian or sumpin like that.. he sounded like he was out of breath. Anyway... he said mine went pending the end of Feb and they have been running 9 months. Which according to my handy dandy end of days calendar is about three weeks away.

We shall see...

 

[roadkill45]

Have you checked NFA tracker or any other boards where people post when their stamp has come in. Check them out, the ATF is just now sending out stamps for items that went pending in March.

the main tracker is not being manned anymore according to Silencer Talk, it just got to be too much for the owner so a lot of it's stuff is out of date or not posted so i don't hold too much stock in it.

at least you got better news than 15 months Chattanooga!! I hope you get it in 3 weeks. i just have a hard time wrapping my mind around a March-May pending date taking 9-15 months. seems unfathomable to me even with a 2-3 week sequester. there can't be that many people wanting NFA items.
most people i work with or who ask me about weapons, don't even realize they can own say..cans/sbr/sbs, and if they do they have entirely wrong info about the stamp, PW, etc.

like i said, these are the last ones i'm buying cause i'll be set for all my calibers and don't intend on adding any more calibers to the ones i have already...i culled the heard to mostly NATO rounds, except the .40 and .357 Sig.

besides shooting them the only thing i need to do is have one jail broken by stalking rhino, that's about it.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Tried calling them a couple times last week... just goes to a recorder where you can leave a message. Maybe they got tired of answering questions from those who provide them with a paycheck? Or maybe they put the guy answering the phone to work on approvals... yeah right... I'll call them next year and hear (maybe) what they have to say...

 

[moosedog]

You guys need to "chill out"
The federal government has you covered. Just look how well the exchanges are going. Yee of little faith.

I called them a week ago and and was told that mine was assigned June 20th. I had sent it in April 4th. And that it takes 9-12 months now.
Mine's for a Thompson C&R SMG so i'm not sure if it goes in the same stack as silencer forms.

 

[trukreltrog]

My last was 8 months, people are reporting longer waits now. I'd bet there were a lot of new app's put in before the rule change too,,,

 

[RV4driver]

So, you're saying that my input 6 months ago isn't going to happen this month as promised?

Okay, fine. The trophy wife's suppressor won't be here in time for Christmas, thanks, feds!!!