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drotis

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There are a lot of really nice looking older revolvers out there. It's hard to believe that so many have sat in safes or sock drawers for decades (or is it?). Is there a way to tell if a gun has been refinished vs original and barely used? Or is that something that comes with experience and just looking at lots of guns?
 
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No, yes and yes :).

There are many NIB (or in the case of S & W, unfired since factory) guns out there. In many instances you can envision a non-regular shooter/gun guy buying a nice shiny new gun, and either storing it on a bedroom shelf or loading it and putting it in a nightstand drawer. Or a gift to a non-gun person where it never leaves the box.

98% of the time there are subtle and not-so-subtle signs of a refinish, but this may require an in-person examination and the experience you noted.
 
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Murphydog is pretty much dead on here, but there are a couple points I would like to add. In the case of a factory refinish, S&W would add a stamp on the frame under the stocks to indicate how it was refinished. Unfortunately they were the only ones who did that so it is not as easy to tell otherwise. One way to start trying to find out if a gun was refinished, looking at it in person or in pictures, is to look closely at the stamped markings on the gun in question (S&W crest, barrel roll marks, etc), and compare it to those on a gun that is known to be original. In many cases, before the new finish can be applied, the gun must be buffed or polished, which would make the markings look not as "sharp". I've also seen some where the finish was applied a little heavy and started to fill in areas of the markings. Again, being able to see these differences will come with practice. These are skills that develop over time.

Hope this helps!
 
drotis: In addition to the above responses, I have learned of some tell tale things to look for from previous posts on this forum. To summarize, the first thing I look at is the sideplate fit. On original guns, the line is very fine. On refinished guns, the sideplate is many times polished so that the sideplate edge is rounded some and it makes for a larger seam. Once you make a couple observations of refinished guns, you will pick this up pretty fast. Another tell I look at is a soft looking cylinder, flute edges more rounded and the stop notches and approaches will be more rounded. Also, check the front of the extractor rod, it should be in the white as it is fitted after bluing at the factory. Also, with gun in hand, check for pitting under the blue. Sometimes, polishing is not able to remove all the pitting and this is visible, when moving the gun around under the light.
There are some refinishers that can refinish a gun that is difficult to determing. The factory was very good at refinishing that was as good as original. Today, the color is different from the old finishes, so that can also be visible.
On prewar guns, the pins on the left side above the grip are usually rounded from the factory and are polished flat on a refinish. The pin above the grip on later ones that were issued with Magna grips that covered the pin may be flat from the factory though.
Look at a lot of guns with a critical eye, and you will soon be able to spot the obvious ones.
 
That is all great info, guys. I'm sure that there are many guns out there that have not seen much daylight. That being said, there are just as many dishonest people who try to pass off something redone as "new". I look forward to having the opportunity to educate myself by looking at lots of guns!
Mike
 
In my mind the NIB is improperly used 75% or more of the time.

Just like a NEW car, a firearm is only NIB once. That is the first transfer of ownership to a non dealer. After that first transfer it is no longer NEW but it is like a new one since it is still unfired

A firearm that has changed hands at the retail level and is still not shot since leaving the factory is LNIB or Like New. LNIB is also used improperly much of the time. LNIB means EXACTLY as if you were to buy NEW, but you are not the first owner.

So often you see an ad that says "LNIB only fired ?? rounds," Well that should really be Excellent+. If you shot it how can it be Like New? I even saw an ad once that said "LNIB but missing the Box"

Back to the OP's question, it is very common for non-gun folks to buy a firearm for protection and never shoot it. With roughly 360 million people in this country owning approximately 260 million firearms (Obama's statistics) there has to be a big percentage of non-shooters that bought them "just in case"

Just recently an elderly couple came into my buddy's Pawn Shop. They had a S&W purchased new in 1985. It had been loaded and put in the drawer. They never even bothered to test fire it. Now they feel they are too old to keep it around and wanted to sell it.

When I am in doubt about a firearm being refinished or not, I will look to see if the OEM grips are in the same condition as the firearm. Looking at the roll marks is usually a good tell, but I have seen revolvers that I know to be original finish that had poor roll marks. Look at the side plate seam, a rebuff often rounds the edges there destroying that usually beautiful fit. Check the hammer and trigger, if they are the same finish as the firearm that is sign of refinish.

There are so many little things that add up, it is hard to list them all
 
The factory (S&W) no longer stamps guns sent to them for refinishing. Not sure if that's the case for other work preformed.

I agree that you need to look at the gun as a whole to try to determined if NIB/LNIB or refinished. Grips markings, roll marks, sharp edges, and especially the top strap blast line. Hard to hide that one.
 
A minor point perhaps, but some confusion is bad----and more confusion is worse.

A post above notes "I've also seen some where the finish was applied a little heavy-----------." Bluing is not applied to the surface of the metal. It is not a covering. The blue is the result of transforming the surface of the metal by way of controlled corrosion. The blue finish is rust---black oxide by name.

I could go on, but------------------------------------------------------

Ralph Tremaine
 
"NIB" is misused more than it isn't. The other one that gets me is "mint", but then they go on to describe any marks, wear or scratches. If it's truly "mint", there will be NO IMPERFECTIONS!
 
My 2 cents. LNIB and NIB are NOT synonyms. In addition I totally agree with mclark202. A post/ad for a gun will begin with LNIB then list all the issues including the fact that a box is not included, followed by a picture that looks like the poor revolver has been used to anchor a boat in the Gulf of Mexico. IMHO anything that has ever been transferred past the original buyer should be listed as "Pre-owned" just like a vehicle. My Dr. told me that ranting is good for my health........
 
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If it's truly "mint" it will smell like Wint-O-Green Lifesavers.
 
Welcome to the FORUM! Another dead give away of a refinish is a blued trigger & hammer. Original was case hardened. Bob
 
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