Not allowed to buy?! What??!!

[LostintheOzone]

I live in WA. I'm not buying anymore guns. After I-594 I considered the cost and hoops I had to jump through, even with a CPL, and just hung it up. It's not much fun living in a socialist state but I'm not moving. I've lived here 40 years and my wife's family is here.

I'll just spend my money on ammo and range dues. I'm not going quietly however because I have a black list of legislators who don't support my agenda and I will be voting. Heads up dudes and dudettes.

 

[cussedemgun]

BY GOLLY, it's working!

: By this time I was like, do I really want any more guns? I think this is going to be my last gun purchase. It was sweet while it lasted. Welcome to Maryland...

The next step in the bureaucrat's plans: if an outright BAN won't fly, just over regulate with enough user fees to make private firearms ownership vastly less desirable.

 

[ladder13]

Here in Maryland, here are the laws that govern buying a handgun:

1. First, if said handgun was made after January 1, 1985, it must be approved for sale in Maryland by the Handgun Roster Board, a panel appointed by the Governor which decides whether a given gun is safe enough to be sold here. (This was the result of a "Saturday Night Special" law.) Many firearms which are commonly available in other states are banned from sale here because the Handgun Roster Board has not approved them.

2. You must have a Handgun Qualification License issued by the Maryland State Police (MSP). As previously noted in this thread, you must be fingerprinted, and the total cost for this is around $100.

3. All handgun transfers, even between individuals, are subject to a seven-day waiting period and background check by the MSP. There is a $10 charge for the background check.

4. When transferring a handgun, you must complete MSP form 77R, which is several pages. You must answer questions similar to the federal form 4473, plus submit detailed personal information. The dealer must submit the firearm information: Make, model, serial number, etc.

5. If the firearm is new, it must have a fired shell casing packed with it, so the gun can be registered in Maryland's ballistic database.

6. If the firearm was made after December 31, 2002, it must have an 'integrated mechanical safety device'. Several years ago, the Handgun Roster Board ruled that the Omega Lock and similar devices qualify as 'integrated', otherwise very few new handguns could be sold here.

7. You can buy only one handgun per month, unless you have sought and received designation as a 'collector' under Maryland Law.

For many years, so-called 'assault weapons' were regulated under the same law, but two years ago, the General Assembly banned them altogether. So, today in Maryland, it is illegal to transfer any M1-A, AR-15 (except HBAR models), any AK-platform gun, etc. If you own one of these, you can keep it.

Magazines over ten rounds capacity are banned for sale. If you own them, you can keep them.

For such a small state, Maryland is very culturally and geographically diverse, with 23 counties and the City of Baltimore (which is not part of any county). You can drive from the Atlantic Ocean to the Appalachian Mountains in half-a-day. We have watermen on the Eastern Shore (the peninsula between the Chesapeake Bay and the Atlantic Ocean), coal miners in Western Maryland, farmers in the rural areas of Central Maryland, and government employees in the urbanized areas around Baltimore and Washington. There are many parts of this state where violent crime is rare. The majority of 'gun violence' occurs in the City of Baltimore, and one or two of the counties in central Maryland, and it's concentrated among certain elements of our population. Yet, instead of addressing the problem directly, our leaders always turn to new gun laws as the solution to violent crime. It's ineffective, but it's what they do here.

New York State is pretty messed up, similar to MD, but at least most outside NYC and the immediate area can carry concealed. In my county there's over 12,000 concealed licenses in a population of just under 100,000, and almost every house has some sort of long gun. I just assume everyone is armed.
Like MD, state politics is controlled by one large city, NYC. Upstate is beautiful, one of the most scenic in the USA, and I've been to alot of states.
I've had plans to leave here since I retired 7 years ago, my aged MIL is the only reason I'm still here. I will not leave her behind by herself.
It is what it is.

 

[finesse_r]

Ruger Alaskan 454 (2.5-inch) is a gun clearly designed for Grizzly bears and there are no Grizzly bears in Maryland. So they must suspect you intend to use such a powerful, and easily concealable hand gun for terrorists activities like shooting it into a tall building and knocking the building down to create a massive disaster like 9-11.

No I can see why they would not let anyone get such a powerful weapon of destruction in a civilized location like Maryland.

But if you are in a bind I can take if off your hands for, say 30 percent of retail. Just contact my attorneys, Dew, Wee, Cheatum, and Howe to arrange shipment. I think they helped to write that legislation so they will know just how to deal with your situation.

 

[the ringo kid]

You watch. This stuff builds up slowly. You already have Dallas and Austin which are very liberal. Here in the Northeast US Pennsylvania is one of the last holdouts. It's a shall issue state with no waiting periods or mag and ammo limitations, no scarry feature bans, everything NFA is legal, open carry has always been legal. Traditionally our Democrat Governors have always been more Republican than the Republican Governors in neighboring states. And yet we are slowly beginning to feel the pressure too. A few months back some councilman in the capital proposed a law to make it illegal to shoot at targets that are shaped like people. This includes silhouettes. His logic is that it desensitizes people to pointing guns and killing other people. Nothing came of it but it's the first of many ripples. Sooner or later one of these laws will get through and set a precedent.

Dallas is still a part of Texas and still has hope. However,Austin is no longer considered a part of Texas and has been that way for at least twenty years.

 

[Kid44]

I like Kansas. Want a gun? Go to gun store, pick it out, fill out a form, pass background check, pay for gun and walk out with it. Want ammo? Find what you want, take to checkout, pay for it, take it out, go to range, load gun and shoot till you are out of ammo. Repeat process.

 

[Beemerguy53]

New York State is pretty messed up, similar to MD, but at least most outside NYC and the immediate area can carry concealed. In my county there's over 12,000 concealed licenses in a population of just under 100,000, and almost every house has some sort of long gun. I just assume everyone is armed.
Like MD, state politics is controlled by one large city, NYC. Upstate is beautiful, one of the most scenic in the USA, and I've been to alot of states.
I've had plans to leave here since I retired 7 years ago, my aged MIL is the only reason I'm still here. I will not leave her behind by herself.
It is what it is.

Thanks for reminding me of something I had neglected to write in my last post...

In Maryland, you can get a concealed-carry permit only if you can demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Maryland State Police that you have a 'good and substantial' reason to carry a firearm. As a result, very few people here can get them.

If you are a private detective; a landlord who collects rents and carries money; a courier who carries cash; a retired police officer; someone who can document a history of threats made against you...those are some of the reasons to get a carry permit here. If you live in a bad neighborhood and take public transportation to work? Too bad...call 911 after the crime happens, if you can.

 

[da gimp]

Beemer, I got so dern depressed reading your post above listing the various hoops you have to go through in Maryland to simply own & possess common firearms. The only good news I can remember this week is Kansas getting their Constitutional carry/ no permit needed for concealed carry there... at least we had something good happen.

The original 13 colonies who led the way for our nation's existence and freedom now suffer under some of the most draconian laws against personal freedoms...... our founding fathers must be sickened by the antics of those state legislators & governors now.........they make King George III & the British rulers he had running things here seem almost benevolent............

 

[Wheeler57]

Move.
I buy guns whenever, where ever, however I want. Ammo too.
When you are the minority, can't win elections, leave.
You can buy (or make) New England claim chouder in the South. No other reason to stay there.

With this reasoning we would be leaving the country.
STAND AND FIGHT wherever you are

 

[w1984s]

You watch. This stuff builds up slowly. You already have Dallas and Austin which are very liberal.

You are so correct. It saddens me to see the inroads "they" have made into my state. I do watch and I do vote. I also hand load.

 

[Beemerguy53]

Beemer, I got so dern depressed reading your post above listing the various hoops you have to go through in Maryland to simply own & possess common firearms. The only good news I can remember this week is Kansas getting their Constitutional carry/ no permit needed for concealed carry there... at least we had something good happen.

The original 13 colonies who led the way for our nation's existence and freedom now suffer under some of the most draconian laws against personal freedoms...... our founding fathers must be sickened by the antics of those state legislators & governors now.........they make King George III & the British rulers he had running things here seem almost benevolent............

The thing that is especially galling about this situation is that these gun laws are always sold as measures to prevent gun crime or enhance public safety...when they prove to be totally ineffective, the answer is always thought to be -- you guessed it -- more gun laws.

In 2013, I waited for 16 hours and 45 minutes to give my one allowed minute of testimony on the bill that required gun purchaser licensing. (Yes, you read that right. Thousands of us signed up to testify on that bill, and hundreds of us actually waited long enough to do so.) When I was called, I told the legislators that I was in uniform as a member of the Baltimore City Fire Department for 30 years, or 360 months, and that not one month went by that I didn't see at least a couple of shootings...do the math. Of the hundreds of shooting victims I saw in my career, not one was shot with any sort of rifle or 'assault weapon', and not one was shot with a shotgun. All of them were shot with handguns, and in the vast majority of those cases, the difference between shooter and victim was who drew fastest. It was common for us to encounter shooting victims who were armed themselves, and who were carrying large amounts of drugs or cash. Keeping target shooters or hunters or gun collectors from buying guns won't save one life on the mean streets of Baltimore -- where most of Maryland's homicides occur -- but they keep passing such laws anyway. In this state, it is what it is...

 

[MasterTech1960]

There is hope for Maryland.

The people of this state voted out the oppressive administration that lived in the Governors mansion this pass election. Our new Governor, Mr. Hogan, will in fact have a hard time turning this state in to some thing worth staying here for. I am NOT LEAVING and I do vote. I will do what I can to make this a better state. All should be warned that our EX- governor Has said he will make a run for the Presidency. Look at our state , see what he has done , and vote wisely.