Philadelphia Patriot
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I like AZ's politics, but it is just too hot for me.
Not allowed to buy?! What??!!
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I like AZ's politics, but it is just too hot for me.
Owly
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Boy O Boy, what a relief.
Restrictive firearm legislation always makes me feel so SAFE
Restrictive firearm legislation always makes me feel so SAFE
It's not all that bad. Yes, I always want to slap the shmuck that says "Oh, it's a dry heat". You do end up being and air conditioned hermit for 4 months, but the rest of the year is awesome. The political side of things are great too, we are just weary of the transplants that come here that don't learn their lessons from the failed state they came from. Did I mention the gun laws here are the greatest? Absolutely love it!
Philadelphia Patriot
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Good to know. My girlfriend (eventual wife) and I have 34 more years until we retire and possibly move.
LVSteve
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....and another state enters my "not moving there" list.
keith44spl
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I've said it before and I'll say it again,
"If'n I have to get permission from a state or a woman to buy something.....
I'd leave one or both of em!"
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"If'n I have to get permission from a state or a woman to buy something.....
I'd leave one or both of em!"
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Officerblue
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Sunny Arizona
Looks like it's time to move to the wild west? Arizona is the place to be & buy...
It is very sad that parts of this country can say what type of firearm you can & cannot buy.
Looks like it's time to move to the wild west? Arizona is the place to be & buy...
It is very sad that parts of this country can say what type of firearm you can & cannot buy.
M3Stuart
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Wow, what an opportunity!
I'm moving to Maryland to start a training business!
Oh, and a 'background check' business...whatever that is.
Step right up, only $200! Oh, and if you buy from me, I'll give you a $200 discount on your gun!
I'm moving to Maryland to start a training business!
Oh, and a 'background check' business...whatever that is.
Step right up, only $200! Oh, and if you buy from me, I'll give you a $200 discount on your gun!
A law on books.......
A law on the books is not only difficult to remove, but it takes time. Gun grabbers say we are so 'unreasonable' when they want to enact UNreasonable laws at the drop of a hat.
A law on the books is not only difficult to remove, but it takes time. Gun grabbers say we are so 'unreasonable' when they want to enact UNreasonable laws at the drop of a hat.
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Background Check Business =
All the PD's in the state have gone to Live Scan , and paper and ink no longer in inventory. And PD's will no only fingerprint people they arrest.
Everyone else that needs finger prints - for security gaurds , day care workers , locksmiths , HQL , Hazmat endorsement for CDL, etc must to to a private business that is part of the official livescan network. Which requires tens of thousands of $ of equipment. MVA ( think DMV elsewhere) offers also , but often long waiting list for apointment. Most places offering this are large security gaurd companies who have a large inhouse need , and then the walk in business is just a bonous.
And yes , there is a new demand for bunches of "instructors" , who must be certified by State Police to two different tiers , one for HQL , and one for the small handfull of carry permits.
But your're probably not going to just ride into town and make a killing at being an Instructor. When the actual Law was translated into the enabling Regulations , it magically grew a provision that had been specifically removed by the Legislature, that ONE round of live ammunition be fired. This removed the possability of having classes in class rooms or meeting halls , and forces the use of a range.
There are only a handfull of ranges in the state open to the public , and many private clubs have restrictions in bylaws about commercial activities. The commercial Ranges sense their upper hand , and either limit use to their in house Instructor , or charge high fees to visiting Instructors.
So far not a huge bottle neck ( other than no ranges in the big city ) because of the training exemption for owners of handguns owned before 10/01/13 , but as the years go by and more young people turn 21 after 2013 , or take up an initial intrest later in life , it will be an increasing bottle neck , because there are only so many available range lanes , and most people with jobs or full time school are primarily available for an 8hr class on weekends.
All the PD's in the state have gone to Live Scan , and paper and ink no longer in inventory. And PD's will no only fingerprint people they arrest.
Everyone else that needs finger prints - for security gaurds , day care workers , locksmiths , HQL , Hazmat endorsement for CDL, etc must to to a private business that is part of the official livescan network. Which requires tens of thousands of $ of equipment. MVA ( think DMV elsewhere) offers also , but often long waiting list for apointment. Most places offering this are large security gaurd companies who have a large inhouse need , and then the walk in business is just a bonous.
And yes , there is a new demand for bunches of "instructors" , who must be certified by State Police to two different tiers , one for HQL , and one for the small handfull of carry permits.
But your're probably not going to just ride into town and make a killing at being an Instructor. When the actual Law was translated into the enabling Regulations , it magically grew a provision that had been specifically removed by the Legislature, that ONE round of live ammunition be fired. This removed the possability of having classes in class rooms or meeting halls , and forces the use of a range.
There are only a handfull of ranges in the state open to the public , and many private clubs have restrictions in bylaws about commercial activities. The commercial Ranges sense their upper hand , and either limit use to their in house Instructor , or charge high fees to visiting Instructors.
So far not a huge bottle neck ( other than no ranges in the big city ) because of the training exemption for owners of handguns owned before 10/01/13 , but as the years go by and more young people turn 21 after 2013 , or take up an initial intrest later in life , it will be an increasing bottle neck , because there are only so many available range lanes , and most people with jobs or full time school are primarily available for an 8hr class on weekends.
J. R. WEEMS
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Snubby, well I am too old now, but maybes vetoes will be over ridden-- how about yours--?? I see it was voted down?
That's about where I am now. At 62, and having spent years lobbying, writing letters, testifying on legislation, etc., I am tired of beating my head against the wall. I'm unwilling to spend a significant amount of whatever time I have left in a useless fight than I cannot win. People like us are grossly outnumbered here, and that is not going to change in my lifetime.
The law that provoked the OP to start this thread was passed in 2013. It was proposed in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shooting, when some politicians were trying to capitalize on that tragedy. One could write a book about the shenanigans that went on to push that law through the Maryland General Assembly, but in short, the fix was in from Day One. The law was going to pass regardless of evidence or opposition, and it did.
It's interesting: Maryland was founded by Englishmen seeking religious freedom, so they left there and came here. Now, southern Pennsylvania and West Virginia are filled with former Marylanders, who have fled this state for various reasons. The cycle continues...
I lived in Maryland until the age of 18 and left. I only have a few family members still living there. The rest are below ground. One of my best friends is still there and he is planning on moving down my way next year when he retires.
I haven't been back since 2007.
I haven't been back since 2007.
Arik
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You watch. This stuff builds up slowly. You already have Dallas and Austin which are very liberal. Here in the Northeast US Pennsylvania is one of the last holdouts. It's a shall issue state with no waiting periods or mag and ammo limitations, no scarry feature bans, everything NFA is legal, open carry has always been legal. Traditionally our Democrat Governors have always been more Republican than the Republican Governors in neighboring states. And yet we are slowly beginning to feel the pressure too. A few months back some councilman in the capital proposed a law to make it illegal to shoot at targets that are shaped like people. This includes silhouettes. His logic is that it desensitizes people to pointing guns and killing other people. Nothing came of it but it's the first of many ripples. Sooner or later one of these laws will get through and set a precedent.
CAJUNLAWYER
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Makes me glad I live in Louisiana. Fill out your 4473 and yer good to go.
Like growing up in New Orleans. If you were tall enough to reach the bar with your quarters you got your beer and cigarettes.
Like growing up in New Orleans. If you were tall enough to reach the bar with your quarters you got your beer and cigarettes.
OLDNAVYMCPO
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It really gripes my butt to see the anti-gun crowd take over a state and enact stupid, restrictive and ineffective gun laws. These laws don't effect me in Texas, thank goodness, but that isn't to say they don't actually affect every gun owner, everywhere. This is the very reason why the NRA and individual voting rights are so important. I really hate to see fellow hunters and gun enthusiast so restricted and hampered by the ignorant and pampered among us.
Shootbrownelk
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Yep, right after Wyoming.
Here in Maryland, here are the laws that govern buying a handgun:
1. First, if said handgun was made after January 1, 1985, it must be approved for sale in Maryland by the Handgun Roster Board, a panel appointed by the Governor which decides whether a given gun is safe enough to be sold here. (This was the result of a "Saturday Night Special" law.) Many firearms which are commonly available in other states are banned from sale here because the Handgun Roster Board has not approved them.
2. You must have a Handgun Qualification License issued by the Maryland State Police (MSP). As previously noted in this thread, you must be fingerprinted, and the total cost for this is around $100.
3. All handgun transfers, even between individuals, are subject to a seven-day waiting period and background check by the MSP. There is a $10 charge for the background check.
4. When transferring a handgun, you must complete MSP form 77R, which is several pages. You must answer questions similar to the federal form 4473, plus submit detailed personal information. The dealer must submit the firearm information: Make, model, serial number, etc.
5. If the firearm is new, it must have a fired shell casing packed with it, so the gun can be registered in Maryland's ballistic database.
6. If the firearm was made after December 31, 2002, it must have an 'integrated mechanical safety device'. Several years ago, the Handgun Roster Board ruled that the Omega Lock and similar devices qualify as 'integrated', otherwise very few new handguns could be sold here.
7. You can buy only one handgun per month, unless you have sought and received designation as a 'collector' under Maryland Law.
For many years, so-called 'assault weapons' were regulated under the same law, but two years ago, the General Assembly banned them altogether. So, today in Maryland, it is illegal to transfer any M1-A, AR-15 (except HBAR models), any AK-platform gun, etc. If you own one of these, you can keep it.
Magazines over ten rounds capacity are banned for sale. If you own them, you can keep them.
For such a small state, Maryland is very culturally and geographically diverse, with 23 counties and the City of Baltimore (which is not part of any county). You can drive from the Atlantic Ocean to the Appalachian Mountains in half-a-day. We have watermen on the Eastern Shore (the peninsula between the Chesapeake Bay and the Atlantic Ocean), coal miners in Western Maryland, farmers in the rural areas of Central Maryland, and government employees in the urbanized areas around Baltimore and Washington. There are many parts of this state where violent crime is rare. The majority of 'gun violence' occurs in the City of Baltimore, and one or two of the counties in central Maryland, and it's concentrated among certain elements of our population. Yet, instead of addressing the problem directly, our leaders always turn to new gun laws as the solution to violent crime. It's ineffective, but it's what they do here.
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