Not Happy With Midway USA

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So, I order 3 boxes (1k bullets each) of Hornady bullets back in January. At the time, I believe they were back-ordered, but the order was processed, etc. I didn't mind waiting, as I already had stock, and that is just the time of year that I put in my component orders to cover me for the next year (I do most of my reloading in the winter). I ordered 3k, as that was the sweet spot for shipping charge efficiency, and I go through a couple thousand rounds of these bullets per year.

Well, a couple of weeks later, I get an email from Midway saying that my quantity exceeded their back-order limit for the product that I ordered. I thought to myself, "what back-order limit?" The problem is that there was no limit/back-order limit in place at the time of my order. This was done retroactively. They went into my open order, that I had already placed, and reduced the quantity from 3 boxes to 1 box of 1,000 bullets.

And before you think, doesn't this guy understand about the panic buying, yes, I get it. This order was on the front end of all of the panic buying, but please read-on.

I called to inquire. They apologized, and said there was nothing they could do. I told them that I would completely understand if there was a quantity restriction on the front end of my order (I actually think these things help with the whole panic buying, and reduces the 'scalping'/re-selling that drives up prices for everyone), but I don't think that its fair to go back on an order that was already placed. That was an agreement that we entered into. I even explained that I was being charged about the same for 1 box to be shipped, as for the 3 boxes that I originally ordered (injury to insult here...). The CS agent was polite, alluded to unprecedented product demand, but clearly did not care too much beyond giving me the requisite, 'we apologize.' It did not come across as very sincere.

I told her that I understand its their prerogative to do what they want with their business, but I also had choices, too. I thanked her for her time, and asked her to tell her management that I don't agree with their business practices, and I would look to spend my money with other companies in the future. She quickly thanked me and hung up the phone. She was not rude, but also not intent on keeping me as a satisfied customer... Let me be clear, I was polite during this call, as it was not this woman's policy.

It's a shame, as I have always liked Midway, been a customer for years. Not the cheapest, but good service, and good supporters of the NRA. I understand they are in a tough position with the panic buying, but again, don't think it is good business to change a customer's order retroactively.

I don't expect folks to abandon Midway, but I always appreciate knowing people's experiences with companies, as it helps me in making my buying decisions. I would have felt a whole lot better about it if the agent explained what the Midway policy was, why it was made, and acknowledge that it caught some customers in mid-stream, and they understand that it may be upsetting to a customer. Maybe even offer something to smooth things over; reduction in shipping, a coupon code for a next order, a free damn hat, something that says, 'I get it, you got nicked on something that was not your fault...' Nope, not even a sincere apology.

Hey, in the scheme of things, life is good. The tragedy that caused this back-order situation is a lot more concerning to me, but again, I do expect more from a company known for excellent customer service. YMMV, peace.
 
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I have always had positive dealings with Midway. Sorry to hear about your problem. I guess they are trying to spread out the available stock to help out as many customers as they can. This panic buying spree sure is a pain!
 
So where are you going to find your bullets at now? You didn't say if they were cast or jacketed, pistol or rifle. On cast lead, there are local companies all over the nation. On jacketed; if you don't have a FFL, nobody is catering to you now, as it is a sellers market. My local LGS has had a good supply of target rifle bullets on hand because his long term customers have been selling back personal stock. One of my friends sold back over 2000 .224 A-max and 1000 Berger.224's all in the 70-80 grain range. I've seen 6mm's and 6.5mm's there also, 30 cal target projectiles are scarce. I'm going to place my order with him, for my 2015 season soon, same for primers and powder. That is a lot of money sitting on the shelf. Back in 1953 (3 years before I was born) a friend of mine won the Wimbilton (sp)Cup, 1000 yard at Camp Perry, he was ordering a whole year's bullets at a time then. (Since he used Serria Gameking 180 gr they returned his check for his 1954 order plus gave him a 1000 prototype Matchking 180's, he still had 1 box of 100 unopened. (And liked the Gameking better). It is the left overs that are the only things out there. It takes 36 bullets for the matches I've been shooting, plus fouling and sighters say 40 rounds a match. There are 10 matches a year that's about 400 rounds. but I shoot another 300-500 a year for fun and ground hogs. So I try to keep 1500-2000 rounds worth of componits on hand, and that may be tricky for a while. Good match brass is freely avalible, because it costs so much more and you just use it over and over. But that's $140 to $325 for 200 brass (depending on which round) but those 200 are lasting 4-6 years for me, I have friends shooting 6x47 Lapua and shoot so much that 300 brass are lasting only a year and going through 3000-4000 Berger bullets and 3-8 pounders of Varget for one cartridge of the 3 he shoots. Ivan
 
You know, a phone call like you had amounts, in my opinion, to being ignored. When a CS person isn't sincere with a customer, they really are waiting for you to "shut up" so that they can give you what amounts to a pre-recorded answer. I do a little re-loading with a friend, .44 special/magnum & .357. With regard to this crazy ammo business, "this, too, will pass". The best way to get the last word with just about any business or service is to not buy from them anymore. However, how do you go about doing that when it seems like they all don't care. Just my 2 cents worth. DLB
 
I agree with your assessment of the situation. They could place limits on new orders and everyone would understand but your order would have been better off left alone. Your CS rep should have had the moxy to pass you up to a supervisor who could have ,or should have had the authority to reinstate your order. It's a lot easier to lose customers than it is to get them.
 
I'm trying to imagine myself as a CS rep. at any of the major dealers right now. I'll bet the lines are stacked with calls from the time they sit down to quitting time. They have to answer questions and try to resolve issues over which they have no control and the more time they spend with an individual customer the more the lines back up, upsetting more people. Not a job I'd want.
 
That is way they have the direct e mail to Sir Larry himself. I would (and have) send a email to him directly. One of his minions will read it first.

If you have a copy of your original order that shows you ordered 3 boxes and they back ordered it I would copy that or forward it to him with your letter explained what you just said.

I always get the Caldwell targets when they are factory blems, there is a 3 per order limit, I know that so that is what I order. If I put 4 it will not take it.

I do not see how they can change what you originally ordered and now say there is a limit??

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I don't have a dog in this particular fight, but it seems like all sellers of guns, ammo and accessories are undergoing unprecedented demand for their supplies and services and are making some far reaching business decisions on the fly... and not always wisely.

I know of one manufacturer of AR receivers and major parts, Aero Precision, who stopped delivering pre-ordered, pre-paid parts and began filling orders for their product at a new, much inflated price. They even changed their "factory direct" price mid-day one day, irritating a bunch of people right in the middle of placing orders. Yes, mine was one of the pre-panic, pre-paid orders that has been placed "on hold" so I'm still waiting for it.

Back to the original topic, I've seen some actions out of Midway that I don't agree with completely, but they are still one of the more reliable and (usually) well stocked companies, and I am willing to at least comparison shop with them when I am ready to place an order. If I don't like what I see, I look elsewhere. JMHO, YMMV!

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I feel like I owe them one

It took several weeks for the effect of Sandy Hook on ammunition supply to really hit its height. I got some stuff that I ordered in January. Midway made a point to ship me a partial so that I would get it before any edicts came from the government. I was angry with them at first, then realized they had done their best to help me out. Many things from many companies have had back orders cancelled because there was no way to predict when or even if merchandise would be available.
 
I had a problem with this company many years ago and frankly quit doing business with them. Case closed. However in this frantic and insane market environment of shortages and people willing do to whatever is necessary to shoot I think special attention should be paid to your suppliers or merchants. It is in frenzies like this that you can identify the real honest and ethical merchants. And adversely emerge those dealers who are predatory in nature and feel compelled to take advantage of buyers at any cost. These are the ones that should be remembered when things finally straighten out. And don't give this **** about supply and demand.

Regards
 
Larry Potterfield is the last person I would characterize as "predatory" in his business practices. I was acquainted with him in the early 80s, and have seen him and spoken to him at SHOT and NRA many times since then. I am not sure the post meant to say that Midway was predatory, or if that was just directed at some other business, but since this post was originally about Midway, I thought i would say that I am giving Midway the benefit of the doubt here, and believe that their policy is an effort to benefit more customers.
 
i have had issues with them in the past also. i don't refuse to buy from them,but they are the last place i look for whatever is needed. if it's available at another place,then i order from tht company. i am surprised potterfield hasn't had a heart attack with all the business he could sell to and no product on the shelves.+
 
Larry Potterfield is the last person I would characterize as "predatory" in his business practices. I was acquainted with him in the early 80s, and have seen him and spoken to him at SHOT and NRA many times since then. I am not sure the post meant to say that Midway was predatory, or if that was just directed at some other business, but since this post was originally about Midway, I thought i would say that I am giving Midway the benefit of the doubt here, and believe that their policy is an effort to benefit more customers.

I tried to be very careful not to point my finger at Midway — that was not my intent at all. So I am a bit puzzled by your first sentence and then your re-evaluation in the third sentence ? In hindsight my opening sentence should have been deleted rather than take a chance on somebody misinterpreting what I was trying to say. Which is, that in this crazy shooting world of shortages and the users total lack of control we should all be keeping score and noting those merchants that are taking advantage of us. That is all I wanted to say

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I don't think it is just Midway. I remember calling Natchez and getting a message saying "thank you for calling Natchez. All our reps are serving other customers. You are number 67 and your wait time is approximately 32mins". Yes, I waited and had a rather dismissive but polite discussion regarding an order I placed and a request for a receipt for a Bushnell scope that I needed to get fixed.

I have had both good and bad experiences from virtually all major suppliers but I tend to give a bit more leeway these days. Still doesn't excuse the retroactive limit on existing orders but these are crazy times and I sure wouldn't want to be working the phones these days.
 
I understand the OP is disappointed, but I prefer Midway's position to his.

I had 2k 55gr FMJBTw/c ordered, and had it reduced to 1k shortly after Midway announced a no-backorder policy. Frankly, I was happy they didn't cancel my backorder. I think they struck a balance between those who bought tons, those who couldn't get any, those who had backorders, those who would never get any if they kept all the backorders in the queue, and those who would have their orders limited to 1k AFTER resupply. YMMV, of course.

Further, CS did not ignore the OP. They listened intently, and they simply disagree. Just because CS doesn't do what YOU want, doesn't mean they ignored you.

I'm happy with Midway's attempts to do the best for our entire community, across a broad spectrum of activities, including this one. They may not always get it right, will never make everyone happy, but IMO they did just fine this time.
 
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I've had good experiences with Midway. I've also found the ammo they have been selling has not been sold at incredibly inflated prices like other sites. Of course it goes fast now, but at least the limits are allowing more customers to get an opportunity to purchase some ammo.

The demand now is really unprecedented. I know it is a disappointment to not get what you want, or what you had agreed to, but in the grand scheme of things, life is still pretty good.

I'm in the process of changing my outlook on life, trying to focus long term and what I have to be thankful for. Funny how little things, and even some big things, matter less when you think about all the good things in life with which you are blessed.

-PEF
 
shawn mccarver- how would you characterize a person who buys out businesses that have existed for many years, fires the people and auctions off the equipment. potterfield has done this on more than one occassion. i can name the names of the companies if you would like and don't already know.
 
Guys, I really think the OP has a good point. Once you accept an order it's like a contract and should be honored. They could have limited future orders but filled those already accepted IMO. I think that's all the OP was getting at.
 
I think they could have found a better solution than just canceling an order they had accepted some weeks before.

I understand the desire/need to help out as many customers as they can, but I don't think they handled this well at all. They should have at least done something more like a DHS contract. A customer sets up a back order for 3K. In a few weeks when they find there's a problem with the world at large they could have let him know they were shipping 1k and holding the other 2K in the order queue for the next shipment (or two).
 
I've had problems with Midway over the years and swore I'd never buy from them again. Eventually, I always gravitated back to them after putting up with the business practices of other dealers because Midway has always seemed to strike the best balance. At least Midway was willing to keep part of the OP's order on backorder. Way too many companies have simply cancelled back orders during this craziness.

I ordered bulk packs of bullets for this coming season from three different dealers in January. I finally received enough components to meet my immediate needs. We simply can not place all our eggs in one basket.
 
Guys, I really think the OP has a good point. Once you accept an order it's like a contract and should be honored.

Thats not true.
Good example: I am working for a huge company and when you read through policies, which you have to accept to create an account, you see that we take the right to not fulfill your order and give you a refund. I have net red through Midway's policy but I bet their policy states that they have the right to refuse an order
 
I understand the OP is disappointed, but I prefer Midway's position to his.

I had 2k 55gr FMJBTw/c ordered, and had it reduced to 1k shortly after Midway announced a no-backorder policy. Frankly, I was happy they didn't cancel my backorder. I think they struck a balance between those who bought tons, those who couldn't get any, those who had backorders, those who would never get any if they kept all the backorders in the queue, and those who would have their orders limited to 1k AFTER resupply. YMMV, of course.

Further, CS did not ignore the OP. They listened intently, and they simply disagree. Just because CS doesn't do what YOU want, doesn't mean they ignored you.

I'm happy with Midway's attempts to do the best for our entire community, across a broad spectrum of activities, including this one. They may not always get it right, will never make everyone happy, but IMO they did just fine this time.

I believe my point was that they did not 'listen intently,' they blew me off with polite indifference. I've been a good customer for a number of years, ordered product that they had no restrictions on at the time of order, entered my cc info, and subsequently got restricted. When questioned about this, they did a poor job of explaining their actions, and did a poor job of customer service.

People are free to accept second rate customer service from a vendor, and reward them with handing over their hard earned money, I chose not to... And again, I understand these are tough times, but they could still have handled the situation differently. I am also not questioning the logic of restricting orders (read my post, this is clear), I just think its wrong to do it to an order already in the system; expectations were already set.

I don't have an ax to grind with Larry Potterfield, or Midway. He seems like a decent, self made guy, and I respect that. However, that does not take away from the situation that I experienced.
 
Thats not true.
Good example: I am working for a huge company and when you read through policies, which you have to accept to create an account, you see that we take the right to not fulfill your order and give you a refund. I have net red through Midway's policy but I bet their policy states that they have the right to refuse an order

I see your point, but if you have to wade through policy documents and contracts to provide legitimacy to your business practices, and to just transact a simple buy/sell transaction, you may need to think about your business. Huge corporations certainly have piles of policies in place to cover their backsides, no question, and that is important. However, good customer service takes care of the customer, and does not hide behind legal speak and policies. That stuff is there to get themselves out a real jams...

Again, this whole situation is pretty simple; think through your policy implementation, have a well thought through plan if you change things, hire customer service reps that really care about helping people, and give them the tools to make a customer feel better about a problem. Not too much to ask, is it?
 
Its all about choices.
The OP can always take his business to Cheaper Than Dirt.

LOL. They have not seen my business since the last time they over inflated their prices. I can see making adjustments, but wow...

Again, I hope my post is not coming across as a total slam on Midway, it is not intended that way. They certainly have not made me a satisfied customer on this transaction, and I don't appreciate indifference when I call about a concern. But, there are redeeming qualities about the organization. That being said, I will look to spend my money other places, where appropriate...
 
First thing to do when they answer the phone is get their name, then whenever you sense you are being stonewalled, or even when you are not getting what you want, ask for their supervisor. Walk the chain.

I recently ordered a set of dies from Brownells on a Friday evening. When I got the order invoice I see that it was for 300 WSM instead of 300 Whisper (- not what I thought I ordered - not gonna argue whose or how it became a mistake here). So I sent an email to Customer Service explaining what happened. They are closed all weekend so on Sunday I re-send another email to the shipping dept. Then on Monday AM I called them.

The girl was polite and listened to my whole story then told me that the order had already been printed out for the picker so there wasn't anything she could do except for me to refuse the package when it came in the mail and they would credit back my credit card. Only problem was the $15 S&H fee. I refused to accept that and she refused to budge saying that was their policy and she couldn't help me, so I asked for her super. He came on the phone and immediately overrode the order and cancelled it for me. Since the dies were out of stock I ordered them elsewhere. Had the supervisor not helped me, my next call would have been to my CC provider.

Being old and cranky also comes in handy.
 
Hey, it is what it is, the girl you talked to probably makes 10 bucks an hour and you were probably the 100th person mad about something, give her a break. You can't have cheap prices and expensive help, which do you want? Some internet companies aren't going to make it thru this period, when you're a retailer and you're out of inventory you're out of business. I hope we all get thru this and things return to normal but I'm not going to lose a business over it, some people may. I still think the government is behind it, spending huge sums of money they don't have on ammo they don't need.
 
Whiners. I did not get mine so I am pissed. The company is just trying to apply an even standard across the board as the demand is exceding the supply. I have backorders with 3 different companies since December. I new then I would most likely not get everything on order. Just the way it is. A great song to listen to: Eagles-get over it !
 
Hey, it is what it is, the girl you talked to probably makes 10 bucks an hour and you were probably the 100th person mad about something, give her a break. You can't have cheap prices and expensive help, which do you want? Some internet companies aren't going to make it thru this period, when you're a retailer and you're out of inventory you're out of business. I hope we all get thru this and things return to normal but I'm not going to lose a business over it, some people may. I still think the government is behind it, spending huge sums of money they don't have on ammo they don't need.

I am working in customer service for $12/hr ... The **** I get from customers is outstanding because most of them are so needy...

Customer calls in because she never received her order. Ask her if she ever tracked package... 'Why should I do that? That is not my job! ' Ohh okay, then I see package was delivered 2 weeks ago at the customers front door... Customer starts screaming that she wants refund immediately because she never received package. .. I do that 8 hrs a day to go to college.

I do think I will quit my job soon because I don't know how long I can handle the **** anymore... 95% of my customers calling are from New York City, New Jersey and California. All of them are sooo needy. They get upset when they can't return an item when they are out of our return policy etc.
 
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