Not to American tastes, probably, but still a nice revolver: the Model 11-4
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kwill1911
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Absalom
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Interesting. To quote:
"After a period of service, it was realized that the 200 gr (13 g) soft lead bullet could arguably contravene the Hague Convention, which outlawed the use of bullets designed so as to "expand or flatten easily in the human body". A new cartridge was therefore adopted into Commonwealth Service as "Cartridge, Pistol, .380" Mk II" or ".380 Mk IIz", firing a 180 gr (11.7 g) full metal jacket bullet."
So the BPC should really have asked for a 380-180 stamping.
I'm sure Colt didn't care; until WW II, Colt revolvers were simply stamped 38 on the barrel, be it an Army 1901 in 38 LC, a PP in 38 New Police, or an Army Special/Official Police in 38 Special, leaving it to the user to know which 38 it was. You can't even get an archive letter from Colt that's more specific than just .38/c for any Colt up to and including the wartime Commando; the factory didn't record anything else. The 38-200 stamping is actually the first more specific barrel stamp used.
bmcgilvray
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One has to wonder if all the 200 grain lead ammunition was withdrawn from units and stores worldwide by the time Great Britain declared war in September of 1939.
It's probable that supplies of the lead 38/200 ammunition was on hand and was issued throughout Great Britain and the Commonwealth throughout the War.
SuperMan
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When you go over to your Photobucket account are the pics still there in the same album you posted them from? I have pics on posts from many years ago that are still there. But once I inadvertently erased some of the pics and they did disappear off the posts they were posted to...
You can't just post and then erase or even move the pics from your Bucket to an Album without having them disappear from a post. I always make sure I put pics in a permanent Album before posting them...
Bob
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A beauty! Low serial number and -- I should have noticed this when this thread was new -- a five-screw model and therefore technically a Pre-11. Other K-frame models with serial numbers near this one were shipping in 1956.
Here's a larger version of the thumbnail in post #21 above.
Target hammer and wide (or semi-wide) trigger. This is the type of unexpected configuration that I would be tempted to letter.
ordnanceguy
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Hi David:
Would it be possible for you to edit and re-post the photos of your Model 11? Since the collapse of Photobucket.com many of the pics formerly hosted there have disappeared, to the detriment of collectors who value and rely on older threads like this one.
Thanks.
Would it be possible for you to edit and re-post the photos of your Model 11? Since the collapse of Photobucket.com many of the pics formerly hosted there have disappeared, to the detriment of collectors who value and rely on older threads like this one.
Thanks.
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Charlie,
Great minds think alike. I actually have a plan to go back and restore missing photos for this 11-4 as well some other revolvers that have come into my hands over the years. The whole project may not be completed quickly, but I will be getting set up to rephotograph several items in the next few days. I plan to edit new images and backfill the empty posts as I go.
Great minds think alike. I actually have a plan to go back and restore missing photos for this 11-4 as well some other revolvers that have come into my hands over the years. The whole project may not be completed quickly, but I will be getting set up to rephotograph several items in the next few days. I plan to edit new images and backfill the empty posts as I go.
Absalom
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I didn't remember the one Bob posted.
I wonder if the barrel has a matching factory serial. It seems to be a left-over BSR barrel, as it has the half-moon front sight, much too late for anything but a 2" barrel at that serial, and at least appears to have the cut for the barrel-shaped knob with the knurled tip, although the photo isn't crystal-clear there.
Would the factory send out a mis-match like that? I'd expect them to install the matching old-style knob.
I wonder if the barrel has a matching factory serial. It seems to be a left-over BSR barrel, as it has the half-moon front sight, much too late for anything but a 2" barrel at that serial, and at least appears to have the cut for the barrel-shaped knob with the knurled tip, although the photo isn't crystal-clear there.
Would the factory send out a mis-match like that? I'd expect them to install the matching old-style knob.
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The more I look, the more I wonder about parts substitutions on C350081.
EDITED TO ADD: From other posts in these forums, it is now clear that C350081 was modified by the factory, apparently in 1978. It is now in many regards what could be considered a "virtual" Pre-11, but it was not originally assembled as one under a Commonwealth contract.
EDITED TO ADD: From other posts in these forums, it is now clear that C350081 was modified by the factory, apparently in 1978. It is now in many regards what could be considered a "virtual" Pre-11, but it was not originally assembled as one under a Commonwealth contract.
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Photos have been reintroduced to the top post, but they are likely to be replaced again. At page display size, the images look unacceptably fuzzy.
TEN DAYS LATER: First two photos replaced again, but still look fuzzy to me in context. On the other hand, when the images are isolated and enlarged, fine details like the stock checking and grooving on the front-sight ramp look sharp to me. I'm thinking I shouldn't trust my own eyes any more, so others will have to tell me if the new photos are adequate.
TEN DAYS LATER: First two photos replaced again, but still look fuzzy to me in context. On the other hand, when the images are isolated and enlarged, fine details like the stock checking and grooving on the front-sight ramp look sharp to me. I'm thinking I shouldn't trust my own eyes any more, so others will have to tell me if the new photos are adequate.
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I would love to add one of these to my bunch...along with an M&P 32....oh well.
Robert
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Cal44
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I can see all the pictures just fine on my android smart phone.
They show up fine on my chromebook.
I seem to remember seeing Model 11's listed in Shooters Bibles and Gun Digest in the 70's. I about wore those books out "wishin' " Rather they were still being sold or not, I have no idea.
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