ARGH
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so what would constitute a military feature? would my m&p 15-22 be considered a banned weapon as of right now? if so how would S&W sell the 22 caliber rifle?
thank god i do not live in such a sad state!
NY gun law, what constitutes a military feature?
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so what would constitute a military feature? would my m&p 15-22 be considered a banned weapon as of right now? if so how would S&W sell the 22 caliber rifle?
thank god i do not live in such a sad state!
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It means the gun actually can fire ammunition......
USAF385
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Anything that looks scary.
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Springfeildkid585
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As a person that's not a lawyer, I'd s.w.a.g. it to mean a tac light, lazer, foregrip...anything fun.
charlie sherrill
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I think seven rounds was chosen for a reason. For one, nobody makes seven round mags, making it initially impossible to comply. I suspect that you won't even be able to modify current mags from whatever to seven rounds. I hate to say it, but the next school/mall/church/theater shooter will probably be carrying a bunch of 5-6 shot revolvers and then they'll come after those. Under the new law you'll have to own more than one nightstand gun...if they'll let you.
Don't worry...it's coming to your state too.
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"nobody makes seven round mags, making it initially impossible to comply. I suspect that you won't even be able to modify current mags from whatever to seven rounds"
7 rounds has been the standard capacity for Colt 1911s since... um... 1911.
They have been making some flush-fitting 8 rd mags for 1911's since the '80's (Devel, now marketed by Shooting Star). It would be easy to mod an 8-rd mag to seven just by switching back to a standard mag spring and follower. Other pistol's single-stack 8/9 rd mags would also be easy to modify by drilling a hole in floorplate and installing a proper-length screw vertically up into the mag and spot-welding/etc it to the floorplate.
It's still a $^%&*(@!! stupid law.
John
7 rounds has been the standard capacity for Colt 1911s since... um... 1911.
They have been making some flush-fitting 8 rd mags for 1911's since the '80's (Devel, now marketed by Shooting Star). It would be easy to mod an 8-rd mag to seven just by switching back to a standard mag spring and follower. Other pistol's single-stack 8/9 rd mags would also be easy to modify by drilling a hole in floorplate and installing a proper-length screw vertically up into the mag and spot-welding/etc it to the floorplate.
It's still a $^%&*(@!! stupid law.
John
kozmic
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If only! NY has had a ban on all those things for years. This round is everything else on the gun and more restrictions on ammo, registration, internet purchases, sale or even the ability to sell. AR's can't ever be sold EVER or transferred EVER and must be surrendered to the imperialist empire for smelting when you die.
sw44spl
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I guess the french and indian war and rev war reenactors have to give up the old flint locks because they have military features.
DigiRebel
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Hey the three bladed bayonet that came with my 1853 Enfield Rifled Musket for Civil War Reenacting is banned by the Geneva convention.
I thought it read that you could have a 10 round mag, BUT it was a misdemeanor if you loaded more than 7, which is an even stupider (if thats a word) law. Only the mind of someone like Chuck could come up with that.Guess we will all see tomorrow. STAY together and join the NRA. God Bless..Bob
sqhead
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7 round mag.,plus one in the chamber equal 8 rounds...ha ,take that crazy eyed coumo! and to add.the crazy shooter of the future i'm sure will use one of millions of larger round mags that will be floating around forever.finding a 30 round mag etc. won't be that tuff.
cfplinker
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The 15-22 has both an adjustable stock and a pistol grip. Either one will classify a semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine as an assault weapon.
I was dead serious in my answer. Their goal is not to prevent violence, their goal is to progressively ban all ownership of firearms. That will eventually include black powder arms and antiques as well. Then they will start going after knives. Look at England if you need an example.
Again, it has nothing to do with preventing violence and everything to do with control.
all357mag
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There's no such thing as internet purchase. Guns have to go from dealer to dealer. Poor misinformed fools, those anti-gun zealots.
Comrad
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I thought "The Guns of Navarone" was a military feature.
The new NYS Law 'ammends' what was until a day ago, current AWB law in NYS that has been in effect since '94. 265.00 NYS Penal Law
Here's that old law's definitions, exemptions, ect..
Scroll down to #22 for the definition of Assault Weapon (Rifle, Shotgun & Pistol are buried in there)
The 'features' talked about that are necessary to classify are listed.
Starting w/ Semi automatic and having a detachable magaine,,,
The change in the ammended law is that now only one feature needs be present instead of two to classify it as an A/W.
New York Penal - Article 265 - § 265.00 Definitions - New York Attorney Resources - New York Laws
Also listed are the exempt firearms (22rf cal tube feed, shotgun tube feed w/ 5rd or less capacity ect) Keep in mind this is the now old law.
Careful reading of the ammeded law passed yesterday will refer to any updating of this.
If no updates are refered to in the new law,,then the old wording is still in effect.
This is in the original law (Refering to definition of A/W):
(e) provided, however, that such term does not include: (i) any rifle,
shotgun or pistol that (A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or
slide action; (B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or (C) is an
antique firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16)
Here's that old law's definitions, exemptions, ect..
Scroll down to #22 for the definition of Assault Weapon (Rifle, Shotgun & Pistol are buried in there)
The 'features' talked about that are necessary to classify are listed.
Starting w/ Semi automatic and having a detachable magaine,,,
The change in the ammended law is that now only one feature needs be present instead of two to classify it as an A/W.
New York Penal - Article 265 - § 265.00 Definitions - New York Attorney Resources - New York Laws
Also listed are the exempt firearms (22rf cal tube feed, shotgun tube feed w/ 5rd or less capacity ect) Keep in mind this is the now old law.
Careful reading of the ammeded law passed yesterday will refer to any updating of this.
If no updates are refered to in the new law,,then the old wording is still in effect.
This is in the original law (Refering to definition of A/W):
(e) provided, however, that such term does not include: (i) any rifle,
shotgun or pistol that (A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or
slide action; (B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or (C) is an
antique firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16)
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So, just how bad is the "no sales" aspect?
"AR's can't ever be sold EVER or transferred EVER and must be surrendered to the imperialist empire for smelting when you die."
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Are quote "Assault Weapons" unquote already required to be registered right now?
In other words, if you already have an AW in NY, did they just make it impossible to sell or transfer? Or can you sell them out of state up until some date?
I assume when your heirs turn them over to be smelted, the only part they'd be require to turn over would be the stripped lower? At least that way they could sell the remaining parts and get at least SOME of your investment back?
What a miserable situation for our brothers up North!
John
"AR's can't ever be sold EVER or transferred EVER and must be surrendered to the imperialist empire for smelting when you die."
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Are quote "Assault Weapons" unquote already required to be registered right now?
In other words, if you already have an AW in NY, did they just make it impossible to sell or transfer? Or can you sell them out of state up until some date?
I assume when your heirs turn them over to be smelted, the only part they'd be require to turn over would be the stripped lower? At least that way they could sell the remaining parts and get at least SOME of your investment back?
What a miserable situation for our brothers up North!
John
SanJoseScott
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Nah, the criminal or crazy person will read the law and say to himself....Self, going over state lines to get a magazine for the AR 15 I just stole is illegal so I can't possibly do that. And all will be well and the pink nirvana promised by the do gooders will come to pass and we can all sit around singing kumbaya by the campfire......but not on a no burn day.
LoboGunLeather
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Art: I don't know anything about it, but I know what I like when I see it.
Assault Weapons: I know what I don't like when I see it, and anything I don't like needs to be banned.
Keep the law intentionally vague and open to reinterpretation in every case; makes it easier to apply to any situation.
Assault Weapons: I know what I don't like when I see it, and anything I don't like needs to be banned.
Keep the law intentionally vague and open to reinterpretation in every case; makes it easier to apply to any situation.
Gun Reforms 2013 Initiatives - Frequently Asked Questions | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo. That's the NY law in plain English
Trying to read that faq is just nauseating. I am not even a NY resident and I find it all insulting. Semi-auto pistols have been around for more than 100 years and now they are suddenly *assault weapons* because Cuomo and his goons say so....? Sorry, doesn't work that way. I'd be making arrangements to pack up a truck and say efff you.
Bull. If one commits an illegal act with a single shot pistol, is it then constituted an an assault weapon? Because they can kill as quickly as any other pistol. 1 revolver and a few speed clips can work just as quickly as a Glock 17 with a few magazines. They make up their own definitions and then try to justify their own semantics to boot.
"Q: I own a handgun, is that an assault weapon?
A: Most handguns are not assault weapons and are not affected by this law. A traditionally designed handgun is not an assault weapon. For example a single shot pistol or a revolver cannot be an assault weapon. To confirm that your handgun is not an assault weapon and to see common models and characteristics click here."
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