NY gun legislation signed

[2152hq]

Our Gun Club has a member that is very active in 'SCOPE' , a NYS 2A Gun Rights Org ( S.C.O.P.E. - Shooters Committee On Political Education - Dedicated dedicated to preserving the 2nd amendment rights for the residents of New York State).
He regularly brings in update matrl from their meetings and as expected this past Thursday was no different.
An info sheet regarding the latest NYS Gun Law includes:

Makes it illegal to possess ANY firearm (rifle, shotgun,handgun):
on any form of Public transportation...Includes Ride Sharing & Air Travel

..Any Food&Drink establishment

..and this one...Any Large Gathering
(A 'Large Gathering' futher defined as a group of 15 (fifteen) or more persons together for amusement, athletic, civic, dining, educational, entertainment, patriotic(!), recreational, religious, social or 'similar' purposes.)

Kind of covers everything from a BBQ to a Gun Show to a Church supper.

Further,,where in the past NYS P/P applicants were screened/had their background checked and character references checked by their County L/E . That task is now been given over to the NYS Police.

Plus if you have any issue that you would like to bring up in protest or question about your P/Permit, it's issuance or not, status, etcc,,that will now be handled by Albany,,not your local County Clerk & Judges.
So, make time and travel plans if you have a question.

Re-certification of P/P:
We all just went thru that as NYS P/P holders, maybe a few are just now doing that the first time.
A simple on line process certifiying what is on your permit and the personal info is correct and up to date.
Well,,that is no more.

With the new law,,,every NYS P/P holder will be required to renew their NYS P/P every 3 yrs.
This by the complete application you did when you first applied for the permit.
Pictures, prints, 4 character references, disclosure of social media accounts going back 3 yrs, They have been given the go ahead to also 'request reasonable and necessary additional related information to the process'.
..16hrs of classroom instruction
..2hrs of rangetime
..In-person interview w/a Licensing Officer.
..A Monthly NYSP audit of every NYSP/P holder to see if reason exists to revoke that permit. (No examples given what would be used).

All this required of every Permit holder before their NYS P/P is renewed...every 3 yrs.

Some of this may be changed and updated,,they are stumbling over themselves as they find things that they have duplicated, etc.

I had read but cannot now find that the law also placed the 'ShockWave' type shotguns with the 14"bbls and short grip 'stock' into the Not Legal in NYS' catagory (1 Mossberg and 2 models by Remington were the list)
No grandfathering in of existing ownership or possibility of 'registering' them under the existing AW Law or as a handgun. Just outright banned.
I don't remember the timeline for disposing of them, but there was one.

 

[ladder13]

Applications are pouring in on LI.


LI applications spike for concealed carry gun permits after Supreme Court ruling - Newsday

 

[kbm6893]

Applications are pouring in on LI.


LI applications spike for concealed carry gun permits after Supreme Court ruling - Newsday

Why would anybody waste the time, money, and aggravation to get a csrry permit now? Can't use it anywhere. Screw giving money to the state that just stripped you of your rights.

 

[demkofour]

I can definitely personally confirm the current status of Remington Tac 13 and Tac 14 and the Mossberg Shockwave (Others).
NYSP Albany confirmed the other day that they are currently (as of 7/04/2022) illegal to possess. But in the same breath, NYSP Albany had no advice (legal or otherwise) on what to do with your Other…
Stripped lowers were originally in the same category, but now we're told they a still OK. I guess that's why there's been a run on lowers at least in my LGS.

 

[fordson]

Why would anybody waste the time, money, and aggravation to get a csrry permit now? Can't use it anywhere. Screw giving money to the state that just stripped you of your rights.

And that's exactly what they want, isn't it? Make it so hard, expensive and, in the end, useless to have a CCW that no one will apply. In the long run this will hopefully work out, but in the short run, the SCOTUS ruling has had some unintended consequences.

 

[kbm6893]

And that's exactly what they want, isn't it? Make it so hard, expensive and, in the end, useless to have a CCW that no one will apply. In the long run this will hopefully work out, but in the short run, the SCOTUS ruling has had some unintended consequences.

Yeah. That's exactly what they want. But there is no reason to pay the money for a useless permit. I guess we can only hope that the shootings go through the roof, with the victims being other criminals, and their crackdown on gun ownership will be rendered useless.

I still say they're gonna have to walk it back. Guys legally carrying for 25 years now can't carry anywhere. Best that could happen is a democratic loss in November. I can't imagine one gun owner, even the biggest FUDD, voting for this governor. The background check on ammo is gonna piss a lot of people off.

 

[Rob613]

Why would anybody waste the time, money, and aggravation to get a csrry permit now? Can't use it anywhere. Screw giving money to the state that just stripped you of your rights.

You need a permit in NY to even have a handgun in your home. So, even if you can't carry it, at least the permit will still allow them to own it…for now.

NY has never complied with Heller, I don't see them starting now.

 

[snowman1967]

I'm having a very hard time understanding how they can declare houses of worship to be gun free zones. Every church I've ever belonged to was owned by the parishioners and members. How can the state tell members they can't have have weapons on their own property? I would surely hope this part is challenged in court.

Actually, this CAN be challenged. It violates the separation of Church and State. Boom!

 

[ArchAngelCD]

I'm sorry if this was already said. Did they really require registration of AMMO sales? This is unbelievable for sure. The Supreme Court struck down their law because it's subjective, it looks like this is also just as subjective. They want social media access too? What happened to the country I was born in?

 

[walnutred]

I've had a NY Pistol Permit for over 50 years. 25 years ago I started my own business and it was upgraded to full carry with no hassle at all.

Now, it looks like I can't carry almost everywhere.

I'm sorry the Supreme Court accepted the case and ruled on it. It is now worse than ever.

Don't blame the SC for ruling correctly. Blame your elected officials for their reaction.

 

[kbm6893]

Don't blame the SC for ruling correctly. Blame your elected officials for their reaction.

I blame the SC for not anticipating their reaction and closing the giant loophole they left open. Thomas said they can't just declare the entire island of Manhattan a sensitive area. So they declared 98% of the state sensitive, and then increased the cost and the procedure to get the permit. The social media component is ridiculous. No clear definition of what would disqualify the applicant. Just arbitrarily leave it up to some investigator who will undoubtedly be instructed to deny as many as they can. Membership on a gun forum like this could be a disqualification. It was very obvious what their response was going to be. They should have anticipated it. Now lawsuits are going to have to be filed and it will be years before it gets in front of the SC again. We can hope a lower level judge sets it straight but that's it.

 

[Muss Muggins]

The Supreme Court can only deal with what is put before them. They can't make new law, or rule on things that haven't happened . . .

I blame the SC for not anticipating their reaction and closing the giant loophole they left open. Thomas said they can't just declare the entire island of Manhattan a sensitive area. So they declared 98% of the state sensitive, and then increased the cost and the procedure to get the permit. The social media component is ridiculous. No clear definition of what would disqualify the applicant. Just arbitrarily leave it up to some investigator who will undoubtedly be instructed to deny as many as they can. Membership on a gun forum like this could be a disqualification. It was very obvious what their response was going to be. They should have anticipated it. Now lawsuits are going to have to be filed and it will be years before it gets in front of the SC again. We can hope a lower level judge sets it straight but that's it.

 

[kbm6893]

The Supreme Court can only deal with what is put before them. They can't make new law, or rule on things that haven't happened . . .

I'm aware of that. But they left a giant loophole by not defining sensitive areas and NY walked right through it. And sure they can rule in things that haven't happened yet. Thomas said you can't make all of Manhattan a sensitive area. So NY said, ok, we'll just make 98% of it a sensitive area. That's not ALL of it, right? Walking on public streets in NY is now a sensitive area. Riding the bus that you take to work. Riding on a subway car, where crime has exploded, is now a sensitive area. Mandating private businesses put up signs welcoming gun carriers, which will undoubtedly lose them business from anti-gun people, not to mention invite protests and possible violent response from those same rabid anti-gunner's.

People calling this a victory are fools. People who have legally carried for decades now can't. This is the worst thing to happen to gun rights in NY in my lifetime. The permit process will now be much more expensive, more lengthy, and easier to deny the permit based on social media content, which will undoubtedly be scrutinized to a ridiculously high level. Membership on this forum could be enough to deny the permit. And background checks in ALL ammo purchases? Last pistol I bought the NICS check took three hours. Doing one for every ammo purchase? Pick up your ammo next month. They'll probably use the same system for the checks so gun purchases in other states will also be delayed due to the backlog.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I'm aware of that. But they left a giant loophole by not defining sensitive areas and NY walked right through it.

They recognized your issue, and could not address it . . .

Although we have no occasion to comprehensively define "sensitive places" in this case, we do think respondents err in their attempt to characterize New York's proper-cause requirement as a "sensitive-place" law.

 

[GypsmJim]

Lots of new hoops to jump thru. Lots of time. Lots of people needed to do all the tasks.

I recently re-certified my permit. It was due the end of Feb. I mailed it the beginning of Jan. It took them 4 months to complete. In other words it was 2 months overdue.

I would imagine that the State Police are as angry as anyone.

 

[NYlakesider]

Lots of new hoops to jump thru. Lots of time. Lots of people needed to do all the tasks.

I recently re-certified my permit. It was due the end of Feb. I mailed it the beginning of Jan. It took them 4 months to complete. In other words it was 2 months overdue.

I would imagine that the State Police are as angry as anyone.

Anything I send into the Safe Act compliance people I make it receipt required and I staple that to my copy of what was mailed in.

 

[G-Mac]

Anything I send into the Safe Act compliance people I make it receipt required and I staple that to my copy of what was mailed in.

I did mine online.

 

[NYlakesider]

I did mine online.

Depending on what is going on I/we might do it online next time. Put both mine and wife's in one envelope and mailed it in. Have receipt as stated.

Our upcoming "safe act" due date was December this year, but with the idiocy that is going on will have to play it by ear. Talked to a high rank in a sheriffs department and a good friend in the state police and as of this time most anything is possible in this NY state of confusion!

 

[Borderboss]

I've had a NY Pistol Permit for over 50 years. 25 years ago I started my own business and it was upgraded to full carry with no hassle at all.

Now, it looks like I can't carry almost everywhere.

I'm sorry the Supreme Court accepted the case and ruled on it. It is now worse than ever.

Sorry you liked how it was for you. Think about the millions in your state who weren't so privileged.

 

[kbm6893]

Sorry you liked how it was for you. Think about the millions in your state who weren't so privileged.

Listen, outside of NYC, anybody could get a pistol permit. Depending on your county and the judge, you may only get a permit to own and not to carry. This new law effectively means the carry permit that they will have to issue you at much greater expense of time and money is useless in 95% of the state, so the only people who are going to benefit from this are the people who live in the five boroughs of NYC. There are about 9 million people in NYC. There are 13 million throughout the rest of the state. Those 13 million were basically assured of getting a pistol to own and likely carry pretty much anywhere they wanted except NYC. Now everyone can get one and carry it nowhere. I'm not seeing a victory here for anybody other than the residents of NYC.

This wasn't a win at all. And if the court can rule that the state can't make a person show cause to be granted their constitutional right, they should have ruled the state can't put up 100 road blocks to exercising it.