NY gun legislation signed

[Racer X]

there are no current microstamping designs that work. Is their goal to eliminate any new purchases? I suspect it won't stand up to a Supreme Court review, if it even gets that far.

I believe it is the core cause of the California "List", which should fall before too long.

 

[delcrossv]

From the Opinion:

" That said, because any permitting scheme can be put toward abusive ends, we do not rule out constitutional challenges to shall-issue regimes where, for example, lengthy wait times in processing license applications or exorbitant fees deny ordinary citizens their right to public carry. "

So, the next step will be for SCOTUS to step all over these new restrictions- probably striking down place restrictions..

Not a winning plan for NY and NJ, but great for us.

 

[fordson]

Or NJ Gov Murphy on CNN: "...we will attack folks who don't know how to use guns..."

Does his statement then mean that gun knowledgeable folks are safe from his attacks?
And if that's the case, then will folks be quizzed on their gun knowledge to determine who will or won't be "attacked"?
Inquiring minds want to know………

 

[biku324]

Nice to live in New Mexico.

Here is the list of prohibited locations for even licensed carry:

§ 265.01-e Criminal possession of a firearm, rifle or shotgun in a
35 sensitive location.
36 1. A person is guilty of criminal possession of a firearm, rifle or
37 shotgun in a sensitive location when such person possesses a firearm,
38 rifle or shotgun in or upon a sensitive location, and such person knows
39 or reasonably should know such location is a sensitive location.
40 2. For the purposes of this section, a sensitive location shall mean:
41 (a) any place owned or under the control of federal, state or local
42 government, for the purpose of government administration, including
43 courts;
44 (b) any location providing health, behavioral health, or chemical
45 dependance care or services;
46 (c) any place of worship or religious observation;
47 (d) libraries, public playgrounds, public parks, and zoos;
48 (e) the location of any program licensed, regulated, certified, fund-
49 ed, or approved by the office of children and family services that
50 provides services to children, youth, or young adults, any legally
51 exempt childcare provider; a childcare program for which a permit to
52 operate such program has been issued by the department of health and
53 mental hygiene pursuant to the health code of the city of New York;
54 (f) nursery schools, preschools, and summer camps;
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1 (g) the location of any program licensed, regulated, certified, oper-
2 ated, or funded by the office for people with developmental disabili-
3 ties;
4 (h) the location of any program licensed, regulated, certified, oper-
5 ated, or funded by office of addiction services and supports;
6 (i) the location of any program licensed, regulated, certified, oper-
7 ated, or funded by the office of mental health;
8 (j) the location of any program licensed, regulated, certified, oper-
9 ated, or funded by the office of temporary and disability assistance;
10 (k) homeless shelters, runaway homeless youth shelters, family shel-
11 ters, shelters for adults, domestic violence shelters, and emergency
12 shelters, and residential programs for victims of domestic violence;
13 (l) residential settings licensed, certified, regulated, funded, or
14 operated by the department of health;
15 (m) in or upon any building or grounds, owned or leased, of any educa-
16 tional institutions, colleges and universities, licensed private career
17 schools, school districts, public schools, private schools licensed
18 under article one hundred one of the education law, charter schools,
19 non-public schools, board of cooperative educational services, special
20 act schools, preschool special education programs, private residential
21 or non-residential schools for the education of students with disabili-
22 ties, and any state-operated or state-supported schools;
23 any place, conveyance, or vehicle used for public transportation
24 or public transit, subway cars, train cars, buses, ferries, railroad,
25 omnibus, marine or aviation transportation; or any facility used for or
26 in connection with service in the transportation of passengers,
27 airports, train stations, subway and rail stations, and bus terminals;
28 (o) any establishment issued a license for on-premise consumption
29 pursuant to article four, four-A, five, or six of the alcoholic beverage
30 control law where alcohol is consumed and any establishment licensed
31 under article four of the cannabis law for on-premise consumption;
32 (p) any place used for the performance, art entertainment, gaming, or
33 sporting events such as theaters, stadiums, racetracks, museums, amuse-
34 ment parks, performance venues, concerts, exhibits, conference centers,
35 banquet halls, and gaming facilities and video lottery terminal facili-
36 ties as licensed by the gaming commission;
37 (q) any location being used as a polling place;
38 (r) any public sidewalk or other public area restricted from general
39 public access for a limited time or special event that has been issued a
40 permit for such time or event by a governmental entity, or subject to
41 specific, heightened law enforcement protection, or has otherwise had
42 such access restricted by a governmental entity, provided such location
43 is identified as such by clear and conspicuous signage;
44 (s) any gathering of individuals to collectively express their consti-
45 tutional rights to protest or assemble;
46 (t) the area commonly known as Times Square, as such area is deter-
47 mined and identified by the city of New York; provided such area shall
48 be clearly and conspicuously identified with signage.
49 3. This section shall not apply to:
50 (a) consistent with federal law, law enforcement who qualify to carry
51 under the federal law enforcement officers safety act, 18 U.S.C. 926C;
52 (b) persons who are police officers as defined in subdivision thirty-
53 four of section 1.20 of the criminal procedure law;
54 (c) persons who are designated peace officers by section 2.10 of the
55 criminal procedure law;

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1 (d) persons who were employed as police officers as defined in subdi-
2 vision thirty-four of section 1.20 of the criminal procedure law but are
3 retired;
4 (e) security guards as defined by and registered under article seven-A
5 of the general business law, who have been granted a special armed
6 registration card, while at the location of their employment and during
7 their work hours as such a security guard;
8 (f) active-duty military personnel;
9 (g) persons licensed under paragraph (c), (d) or (e) of subdivision
10 two of section 400.00 of this chapter while in the course of his or her
11 official duties;
12 (h) a government employee under the express written consent of such
13 employee's supervising government entity for the purposes of natural
14 resource protection and management;
15 (i) persons lawfully engaged in hunting activity, including hunter
16 education training; or
17 (j) persons operating a program in a sensitive location out of their
18 residence, as defined by this section, which is licensed, certified,
19 authorized, or funded by the state or a municipality, so long as such
20 possession is in compliance with any rules or regulations applicable to
21 the operation of such program and use or storage of firearms.
22 Criminal possession of a firearm, rifle or shotgun in a sensitive
23 location is a class E felony.
24 § 5. The penal law is amended by adding a new section 265.01-d to read
25 as follows:
26 § 265.01-d Criminal possession of a weapon in a restricted location.
27 1. A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in a
28 restricted location when such person possesses a firearm, rifle, or
29 shotgun and enters into or remains on or in private property where such
30 person knows or reasonably should know that the owner or lessee of such
31 property has not permitted such possession by clear and conspicuous
32 signage indicating that the carrying of firearms, rifles, or shotguns on
33 their property is permitted or has otherwise given express consent.
34 2. This section shall not apply to:
35 (a) police officers as defined in section 1.20 of the criminal proce-
36 dure law;
37 (b) persons who are designated peace officers as defined in section
38 2.10 of the criminal procedure law;
39 (c) persons who were employed as police officers as defined in section
40 1.20 of the criminal procedure law, but are retired;
41 (d) security guards as defined by and registered under article seven-A
42 of the general business law who has been granted a special armed regis-
43 tration card, while at the location of their employment and during their
44 work hours as such a security guard;
45 (e) active-duty military personnel;
46 (f) persons licensed under paragraph (c), (d) or (e) of subdivision
47 two of section 400.00 of this chapter while in the course of his or her
48 official duties; or
49 (g) persons lawfully engaged in hunting activity.
50 Criminal possession of a weapon in a restricted location is a class E
51 felony.

Seems simple enough.

 

[2152hq]

Hochul signs New York bill requiring social media history to obtain gun carry permit | Washington Examiner

...... The legislation will also create a statewide database for ammunition sales and license records and mandate sellers to keep records of every ammunition transaction......(QUOTE]


The original SAFE ACT, that the NYS Legislature and the Gov put into law in 2014 already created:
'A statewide database for ammunition sales and license records and mandate sellers to keep records of every ammunition transaction...'

That is still alive within the SAFE Act, though the data base has never been established to this point,,it's 'on hold' so to speak.
It will be/was to be run by the NYSP. (need $$)
It was never cancelled or dropped from the original law.

The original law created a 'Seller of Ammunition' license.
Anyone that sells ammo is supposed to have one.
Again the NYSP issue it thru the orig SAFE ACT.
Any FFL licensed in NYS was automaticly issued and sent one back in 2014.
Mine is around somewhere.

No one bothers with it, most don't know about it's existance and now we have a duplication of a still non existant practice from 2014 in a new updated gun law to keep everyone safe and secure.

and some people applaud...

 

[demkofour]

As per the NYSP Pistol License Division in Albany, we were advised today that as of 7/03 "others" to include the Mossberg Shockwave and the Remington Tac 13 and Tac 14 were illegal. They further advised that there was no "grandfather" provision…
And as of 9/04, purchase of a semiautomatic rifle will require a duly issued license.
Here we go New York!

 

[delcrossv]

As per the NYSP Pistol License Division in Albany, we were advised today that as of 7/03 "others" to include the Mossberg Shockwave and the Remington Tac 13 and Tac 14 were illegal. They further advised that there was no "grandfather" provision…
And as of 9/04, purchase of a semiautomatic rifle will require a duly issued license.
Here we go New York!

s\Shockwave? My kids own those. Man, they're nuts.

They need some SCOTUS squashing

 

[smoothshooter]

No surprises there.
Totally predictable.

 

[Racer X]

As per the NYSP Pistol License Division in Albany, we were advised today that as of 7/03 "others" to include the Mossberg Shockwave and the Remington Tac 13 and Tac 14 were illegal. They further advised that there was no "grandfather" provision…
And as of 9/04, purchase of a semiautomatic rifle will require a duly issued license.
Here we go New York!

looks like another smackdown is in order. Are there any crime stats to support it, or do they just make people wet themselves when they see one?

 

[dockmurgw]

NY Sheriffs weigh in... they are not impressed.

MSN

 

[Bald1]

Governor Hochul said that this fight was not over, she meant it.

She's right. It's not over. The lawsuits are already starting. The majority of this **** will get thrown out.

 

[kbm6893]

NY Sheriffs weigh in... they are not impressed.

MSN

It's what I said. 62 counties in NY. 14 voted for Cuomo. 48 did not. That's 48 elected sheriff's who have to answer to their constituents. When the Safe Act was passed, several sheriff's publicly stated they would not enforce it. This new law was to try and score some political points. But in my opinion they reached way too far. There can't be one gun owner in NY who supports this. And if they do now, they won't when they try to buy a box of hunting ammo and have to wait for days or weeks for a background check.

I think they poked the bear with this one. They could have done a couple of things and called it a victory. Outlawing something like 95% of the state from lawful carry has gone overboard.

 

[LDM]

So, what if you don't use social media? Does this automatically disqualify you? I don't let myself be subject to identity theft and fraud so I guess that makes me a bad person.

 

[delcrossv]

It's what I said. 62 counties in NY. 14 voted for Cuomo. 48 did not. That's 48 elected sheriff's who have to answer to their constituents. When the Safe Act was passed, several sheriff's publicly stated they would not enforce it. This new law was to try and score some political points. But in my opinion they reached way too far. There can't be one gun owner in NY who supports this. And if they do now, they won't when they try to buy a box of hunting ammo and have to wait for days or weeks for a background check.

I think they poked the bear with this one. They could have done a couple of things and called it a victory. Outlawing something like 95% of the state from lawful carry has gone overboard.

Nah, it was a clear spit in the eye of SCOTUS. We'll see how that plays out.

 

[stansdds]

So, what if you don't use social media? Does this automatically disqualify you? I don't let myself be subject to identity theft and fraud so I guess that makes me a bad person.

That's a good question and I expect those who crafted this abomination did not think that far ahead.

 

[kbm6893]

Nah, it was a clear spit in the eye of SCOTUS. We'll see how that plays out.

Of course it was. But it went too far and it's going to backfire. A friend of mine at work is a real FUDD. Doesn't even own a semi auto pistol. Revolvers, bolt action and pump action shotguns. He couldn't have cared less about the Safe Act. He still carried his Model 36 wherever he wanted to. Now he can't and he's pissed. He hadn't even heard about the background check for ammo. When I told him that he looked like he was going to explode.

There needs to be a full court press on this to let the public know how far this goes. Most people read the headlines only. Remember when Trump was elected how popular it was to roast him? Then Kathy Griffin did that picture holding up a bloody severed Trump head. Oops! Too far! A year ago it was all the rage to chant Defund The Police! Now they're all walking that back. The NY Governor (not even elected) took advantage of public sentiment and signed this nonsense. I'm pretty much a committed cynic, but my gut is telling me this one if gonna fail hard. Makes the Safe Act look like nothing.

 

[ladder13]

I'm quite sure you will be denied a permit for failing to disclose social accounts. Why would they put that in thr law.
A gun forum like arfcom? You may be ok with muzzleloading.

 

[ladder13]

Sheriffs may resist.



"Sheriffs haven't received additional money or staffing to handle a new application process, said Peter Kehoe, the executive director of the New York Sheriffs' Association. The law, he asserted, infringes on Second Amendment rights, and while applicants must list their social media accounts, he doesn't think local officials will necessarily look at them.

"I don't think we would do that," Kehoe said. "I think it would be a constitutional invasion of privacy"



New York gun applicants will have to hand over social accounts

 

[biku324]

Sheriffs need to be cautious in how they resist...our Sec of State here in NM last month filed the first 'writ of mandamus' done here in decades, maybe half a century, to force a county commission to do its job. They did their jobs rather than be immediately removed from their positions.

 

[GypsmJim]

I've had a NY Pistol Permit for over 50 years. 25 years ago I started my own business and it was upgraded to full carry with no hassle at all.

Now, it looks like I can't carry almost everywhere.

I'm sorry the Supreme Court accepted the case and ruled on it. It is now worse than ever.