NY HOME POSESSION, RANGE PERMIT

[blindbirddog]

Oldest daughter is going to Syracuse U. for graduate school. Got her a Mossberg 20A but she wants a revolver.

I know of the NY requirements for pistol permits for home and range use.

Does it really take six months to get a permit? Can you take a safety course while the permit process is going forward?

Anyone live in Syracuse? What will it be like for a 27 y.o. girleee living on her own? I told her to use both the scatter gun and then the pistol when she is permitted.

thanks for the info..
Blindbirddog

 

[ladder13]

Some counties in NY may take a year or longer to get permission to own a handgun. Each county has their own rules and procedures, and it's up to the county judge. The exceptions to the rule, NYC and Long Island.
I think the Cuse area may be better than most, I've heard it is.
It ain't pretty.
Lotsa luck.

Edit: you need a safety course before applying

I think members Koz and Hillbilly77 live up that way, they should soon chime in.

 

[jringo8769]

well as a life long NY resident...Pistol Permits take time...6 months is very common where i live...there is no way to rush it either....God Bless,John...what takes the time is the research they do when check you out...

 

[Wise_A]

It depends entirely on the county. Even what process you go through depends on what the judge and sheriff feel like doing.

In Albany Co, you have to appear before the judge to get a pistol permit. And you're not getting a carry. In other counties, it ranges from 6-12 months, contingent on a safety class. Up in Warren County, practically as rural as it gets, you can get a "Hunting and Target" pistol permit, but there's no way you're ever going to get a CCW.

In some counties, in order to buy/transfer, you have to buy the gun, take/mail the receipt to the sheriff's office for an amendment to your pistol permit, wait a while (I've had as little as 2 weeks, as long as a month and a half back in the Bad Old Days), get the amendment in the mail, and bring that back to the FFL.

In other counties nearby, the sheriff's office happily dispenses blank amendments--you buy the gun like normal, and drop off the filled-out amendment on your way home.

I would call around to some shops in the county and find out. Just because Syracuse is north of Suffolk County doesn't mean it doesn't suck out loud.

What I would not do is send the revolver up with her.

Another thing that can come in handy is a junk gun. Some counties require you to have a handgun purchased before you can even apply. So instead of plunking down $800 on a shiny, she can either pick out some $75 barely-working piece of garbage, or you can FFL said worthless piece of garbage to her. That way, while she's waiting on her permit, you guys have only got a cheap token gun sitting in the FFL's safe. When the permit comes through, then you buy/send the one you really want.

 

[apollo99]

I think under much objections from county Sheriffs, the NYS pistol permit situation is about to get a lot better or a lot worse, The NYSP will be taking over the whole operation in 2018. It will be a big Albany run operation. God help the residence of NY. NYC, and the two counties in Long Island excluded. Thank God I escaped from NY to the sunny, free, gun capital of the country Arizona. Land of the free, home of the heavily armed.

 

[Wise_A]

I'm aware of the NYSP plan. All I have to say is: GL trying to condense and consolidate the paper records of 62 counties and umpteen hundred thousand handgun owners, and probably millions of handguns. Especially when said records are frequently for deceased individuals and long-lost guns.

Several counties are comically lax in how they handle things, but the overriding factor is that they are, generally-speaking, overseeing permitting for law-abiding folks. We do have our fringe elements, but they're few and far between.

The bigger issue is that the state wishes to make one rule to govern a big, diverse state. What works in NYC and what voters are willing to support down there, doesn't necessarily work in Saratoga, Washington, or Warren Counties.

So to be honest, I would much rather have the flexibility and deal with the confusion of our current system.

 

[Maddog 521]

That is an "amazing read".

 

[Jeppo]

O U C H ! !

 

[DD357]

What a nightmare!

 

[white cloud]

You New Yorkers need to replace your government.

 

[2152hq]

There is a 'residence requirement' for NYS P/P applicants (or at least there was).
Again it may vary my County. In Monroe Cty (Rochester) the applications stated that the applicant had to be a resident of the County for at least 6mo PRIOR to the date of their application.
..and you must provide 3 additional character references from the State (or other NYS County) you lived previously if you have not been here for at least 3 years. This is in addition to the 4 local references already required. All references signatures notarized.
Current wait here is about 1 yr. They will tell you 6mo, but at 6mo they tell you they're still working on it and it;ll be another 5 or 6.


Here's a link to the Onondaga Cty Sheriffs Pistol Permit Application:
http://sheriff.ongov.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/NYS-Pistol-License-Application-6-7-17.pdf

Read through this baby and you'll be drinking early today.
I'm sure there's differences in fine point rules from other Counties around it but the general application is the same.

Best of Luck to you and your Daughter



added: It used to be that you had to actually buy a handgun first, have the dealer give you a receipt w/the gun description, ser#, ect on it and turn that info in with your application. The dealer hung on to the handgun while the permit application was being processed.
When the permit was issued, it came through with that gun already on it. You then went to the dealer and collected 'your' pistola. The dealer gets a small receipt from the P/P licensing agent (County Clerk) that says it's Ok to release the gun to the permit holder.
That worked OK when permits were issued in a few weeks. But now with months and yr(s) wait,,the dealer doesn't want to keep a decent gun out of rotation.Some demanded paid in full w/no refund on an application gun purchase. Always a chance the permit gets denied.
So many started a 'permit getter' selection as Wise A mentioned. Usually cheap top breaks for under $50 just to apply for the permit on.

Now most (all?) countys allow you to apply with out demanding the up front purchase of a handgun (how nice of them).
Your permit does not expire if there are no pistols on it either, but some put limits on them in total number, number of guns in the same caliber, when and where the pistol can be used and for what purpose, ect.
All depends on what the almighty Judges feel like doing.

 

[jyork08854]

So happy I left the Northeast for the sunny South.

 

[pharmer]

I left NJ almost 40 years ago. I remember the 4 part form to buy a model 19, a separate card for NJOID. I don't even go back to visit. Joe

 

[Camster]

You New Yorkers need to replace your government.

Sure,great advice,unless you're vastly outnumbered by those that want it the way that it is.

 

[Chief Wiggums]

That is an "amazing read".

What an eye opening read.

 

[JLPiccard]

My manager is wanting me to take a promotion that would entail me to move to NYC. I'm really resisting the idea, due to all the nonsense you have to deal with up there with gun licensing.

Given that I currently live in GA, where my permit allows me to carry just about anywhere, that would be a major change.

 

[NYlakesider]

My manager is wanting me to take a promotion that would entail me to move to NYC. I'm really resisting the idea, due to all the nonsense you have to deal with up there with gun licensing.

Given that I currently live in GA, where my permit allows me to carry just about anywhere, that would be a major change.

Simply put you will not get a permit in NYC! PERIOD
Also if you get a permit outside of NYC it is not valid there!

As others have stated counties and many cites administer our convoluted Pistol Permit situation. Many go to their own different drum which in this state as long as they stay inside the very wide parameters of the law can make things very interesting.

 

[Arik]

My manager is wanting me to take a promotion that would entail me to move to NYC. I'm really resisting the idea, due to all the nonsense you have to deal with up there with gun licensing.

Given that I currently live in GA, where my permit allows me to carry just about anywhere, that would be a major change.

Very very very few carry permits in NYC. First there's the matter of the several thousand dollar, none refundable application fee. Then you will be denied. Period, end of story. You're not special, no one is after you!

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[kaaskop49]

re: the above NY situation

This is why I bore people on the Forum by maintaining: "Never say never." If you live in a less restrictive part of the country, you have to remain vigilant about your firearm rights. Here in Nevada, out-of-state instigators pushed for the Universal Background Check amendment last year, which barely passed, but has been held in abeyance by our State Attorney General, bless him.

The antis will never stop.

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

 

[Old cop]

I've read a lot about NY and their gun laws and it begs one question: Are they any safer b/c of all this?

 

[ladder13]

This is why I bore people on the Forum by maintaining: "Never say never." If you live in a less restrictive part of the country, you have to remain vigilant about your firearm rights. Here in Nevada, out-of-state instigators pushed for the Universal Background Check amendment last year, which barely passed, but has been held in abeyance by our State Attorney General, bless him.

The antis will never stop.

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

I always get a kick out of some who proclaim their state to be "free" but when you dig deeper it ain't quite so.
For instance, in NY we carried in bars all the time, not so in many "free" states.
Heck, I never paid a .01, nor "renewed" my NY permit for 30+ years besides the initial costs to get it. We always had lifetime permits. Most other states have renewal periods.
5 year recerts arestarting next year but still no fee.
No such thing as "free" when you need someone's permission to defend yourself.
ymmv

 

[16thVACav]

I think under much objections from county Sheriffs, the NYS pistol permit situation is about to get a lot better or a lot worse.

Put me down for $20 on "a lot worse".

 

[ladder13]

My manager is wanting me to take a promotion that would entail me to move to NYC. I'm really resisting the idea, due to all the nonsense you have to deal with up there with gun licensing.

Given that I currently live in GA, where my permit allows me to carry just about anywhere, that would be a major change.

I'd be more concerned about the rents, high real estate prices and property taxes than anything else.
Prepare for major shock.

 

[JLPiccard]

Simply put you will not get a permit in NYC! PERIOD
Also if you get a permit outside of NYC it is not valid there!

As others have stated counties and many cites administer our convoluted Pistol Permit situation. Many go to their own different drum which in this state as long as they stay inside the very wide parameters of the law can make things very interesting.

That is what I suspected from everything I've been able to research. NYC already has an astronomical cost of living. With restrictions like that, it is very unattractive to me as a place to reside. I'm almost to the point where if he pushes the issue, I'm willing to change companies to not have to move to NYC. I'm a CPA, so it's not like it's going to be hard for me to find work elsewhere (or even set up my own practice).

 

[Retired Chief]

Back in the late "70's" when I was a deputy sheriff, NYC jailed one or our young lads that we wanted back so we could give him food and shelter for the next 6 to 30 years.
The mutt waived extradition, and I was all set to fetch him back to Illinois, when the New York copper I was dealing with told me "By the way, you can't bring your weapon to New York." When I suggested that traveling with a violent felon in custody was not something we did while unarmed, he said that no one except NYC police, NY State Police and the feds were allowed to carry in NYC. I told him to keep the mutt.
I did go get him. NYC police took my gun when I entered the jail (standard operating procedure anywhere), escorted me an my prisoner to the jail exit, returned my weapon, and gave us a ride to the airport.
I ended up with the same deal I would have gotten in Texas (except the one time I went to Texas for a prisoner, I drove), just got a hard time first!

 

[swsig]

A very educational thread. As a Texan, all I can say is .

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

My marriage license and my drivers license are respected in all of this country, and the Constitution says nothing about driving or being married! What is with this thinking and why would Americans stand for it?

Ivan

 

[kaaskop49]

Ivan, as I said above, the antis will never stop until they do away with all of our firearms. They will stoop to the lowest levels possible if it suits their purposes.

The NYS R&P Association fought for decades to allow upstate shooters to enjoy their rights and hobby. What happened? The governor pushed an anti-assault rifle bill through the state legislature at night, I was told (please correct me if I am wrong). Here in Nevada, out-of-state provocateurs pushed for the Universal Background Check amendment. They allegedly collected over 200,000 signatures for the proposal to be placed on the ballot. I do not believe these signatures were either counted or checked for veracity. These were people not from NV. The initiative passed by about 10,000 votes, but has been blocked by the state Attorney General.

As to how the antis get elected, they support other issues that most would agree on. Gun control goes along for the ride. Also, voters who move to lower tax areas often bring their progressive ideas with them. And people simply vote for their party, regardless. "And what could be bad about UBCs? We'll all be safer." Who said that eternal vigilance is the price we pay for freedom?

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

 

[ladder13]

Ivan, as I said above, the antis will never stop until they do away with all of our firearms. They will stoop to the lowest levels possible if it suits their purposes.

The NYS R&P Association fought for decades to allow upstate shooters to enjoy their rights and hobby. What happened? The governor pushed an anti-assault rifle bill through the state legislature at night, I was told (please correct me if I am wrong)................
Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

If I remember correctly it was after midnight on a Friday night, when most people were not paying attention, and right after the Newtown school shooting.
The Gov stuffed the pockets of a number of RINO's and majority leaders of the legislature, and voila, AWB.

The silver lining, minuscule as it may be, two of those crooks got indicted and convicted of financial malfeasance and are spending time in Federal care.

 

[blindbirddog]

That was interesting. My daughter grew up in NH. You want a gun, you buy a gun. You get the gun the same day. Now we don't need permits to conceal carry. Not a lot of people get shot here.

I bought her a 20 ga. semi for the interim it takes to obtain the home possession pistol permit. I guess she will have to shoot the S&W combat masterpiece (38SP) when she comes home for a visit. She can take it back to VA with her but can't carry in D.C. when she goes to work in the pentagon.

Thanks to all who commented. I am wondering if the permit is worth it for 18 months of graduate school. 6 shots of #3 buck shot from a semi should be pretty good for self defense in the home. Point and pull.

Regards,
Blindbirddog