Odds of getting a canted barrel

I recently sent my 686 no dash back to the mother ship for repair of an under clocked barrel...I ran out of adjustment on the rear sight. This pistol was purchased used. After writing S&W and explaining the situation they responded quickly with a return to manufacturer Fed Ex label. They received the pistol (01-27-2014) and it was shipped back to me (02-01-2014) fully repaired and FREE.. I am one delighted customer!

I had a similar experience with an over clocked M60 bought last year.

No problem getting S&W to agree to fix it, and the turnaround was quick.

IMHO, people should not just live with canted barrels. If you have one, send it in.

If enough people do this, the manufacturer will improve their QA to cut down on so many returns.

Manufacturers are prone to pinching pennies and we as customers should let them know when the quality standards are too low.

If we accept poorly made products, that's what we will get.
 
....and then you wonder just how many come back screwed up like mine? Of course how many have the proper tools to check for constriction in the barrel? Mine left a tackdriver and came back a shotgun....

Now I have to decide weather to try firelapping it or sending it back for a new barrel and hope that the same thing doesn't happen again.
 
Extremely uncommon, but it does happen. I don't think S&W will repair it under warranty (they will probably say it falls within tolerances), so check any potential purchase carefully before shelling out the money.

After careful reconsideration, I am changing my answer to the OP's question; the odds of getting a canted barrel are zero if you check out the potential purchase carefully before buying.

I have a fair number of S&W revolvers. None have canted barrels.
 
Last summer/fall I was searching for another 357 and looked at quite a few 686s at multiple LGS in my area. I would estimate at least 25% had tweaked barrels.

I'm rather picky and my eye can easily catch misaligned parts. Of the canted barrels, some were slightly out but others were really bad.

Look the gun over before you lay your money down. It sucks to send a new gun back and the wait could seem like forever.

I stopped shopping when I found a 4" 1982 model 19 with a tight action.

Edmo
 
It the risk of being barred, I will answer this question.A "Classic " 36 was shipped to me from the factory new with a severely canted barrel and it took 4 times back to S+W to have them replace a faulty barrel.Yes it does happen and Yes it should have been corrected by the factory BEFORE it left the factory because it was so inaccurate.
 
After careful reconsideration, I am changing my answer to the OP's question; the odds of getting a canted barrel are zero if you check out the potential purchase carefully before buying.

I have a fair number of S&W revolvers. None have canted barrels.

So what does a fellow do if he has to order it or buy it online?
 
In most cases the only problem with a slightly canted barrel is only cosmetic.


You are correct, sir; but for quite a number of us here cosmetic issues are important.



Even when ordering a gun online, one does not have to accept it. Doesn't matter if it's rough machining marks or a canted barrel. Don't like it, don't buy it. If you're that desperate you can't wait, a cosmetic issue ain't gonna matter.


Sir,

It's not nearly that simple, and I'm guessing that you're probably aware of that. If only it WERE that simple. For the sake of those who have never bought a gun online, here are complicating factors of not accepting it(due to a canted barrel or whatever else may be the problem) when it arrives:

1)Actually, you've already bought it. You sent payment to the seller, who then sent the gun to your FFL. He has your money and has probably deposited it in his account. Getting that money back is not guaranteed. If he has stipulated in his ad or auction that he will accept returns and is a man of integrity, you will get it back. Sometimes integrity is wanting and the seller refuses to honor his commitment. Though that hasn't happened to me, it has to a fair number of members here, whose threads remain on the site as a testimony of the risk of buying online. Fortunately those situations are the exception and not the rule, but the possibility exists nonetheless. If you review some of those threads, you'll see what a hassle(sometimes even a nightmare) this situation can be.

2)If the seller has specified in his ad or auction "As is; no returns", the gun is yours. For this reason many of us avoid buying online under that stipulation, but occasionally experience tells you that a certain desired gun may not be had otherwise, at least with any degree of certainty in an acceptable time frame. If you go ahead and buy the gun with this stipulation, your risk of having to accept an unacceptable gun increases.

3)If the seller is a dealer who accepts credit card purchases, you can avoid number "1)" above by using your card and then stopping payment when you find that the gun isn't acceptable. However, with rare exceptions(in my experience), using the card will cost you an extra 3% of your winning bid.

4)If the seller is a private party, or a dealer who doesn't accept card purchases, the risk found in number "1)" increases.

5)You've already paid the shipping charge from the seller to your FFL. This is almost always unrecoverable. If the seller is a dealer he likely sent it USPS. The charge in this case is generally, roughly $25 or so. If the seller is a private party and ships it himself, he will have to use UPS or FedEx, and the charge goes up significantly, usually $40-50 or even higher. If you don't accept the gun, you eat that charge.

6)Not only that, but if you don't accept the gun you eat the shipping charge to return it also, so double the amount under number "5)" above that you will be throwing down the rat hole, so to speak.

7)Very likely you also will have to pay your FFL for whatever his services are, even if you don't accept the transfer. I don't know what that charge would be.

8)If the seller turns out to be disagreeable or vindictive and you bought the gun on an auction site, he will leave negative feedback for you, which could adversely affect your online transactions in the future.


Generally if a buyer is wise and does his homework, problems with returning a gun are minimized or avoided. But the extra charges outlined above are not. It's conceivable that the buyer could be out $100 or more to return a gun. Consequently he has a difficult choice: reject the gun and be out the money for the extra fees, or keep a gun he's unhappy with, along with the money.

As usual I've gotten too long-winded, and there may be an inaccuracy or two in the above remarks. However there are inexperienced folks here who read about these matters, and I wanted them to understand that returning a gun purchased online with a canted barrel or other problem is not nearly as simple as examining one in a store or at a private party's home, discovering the problem, and handing it back to the clerk or owner and saying, "No, thanks." The latter situations are the only cases in which there is a zero percent chance of getting a canted barrel.

Otherwise you have to deal with the risk that those of us face who live where seeing a Smith revolver in a classified ad or in a dealer's display case is a very, very rare occurrence.

Regards,
Andy
 
Many years ago (at least 30) I bought a model 17 with 8-3/8" barrel which was definitely canted. Sent it back to the factory and it came back with the barrel definitely bent back into alignment. (Funniest S&W I have ever seen, it could shoot around corners (not coroners)). Sent it back once again and that was the last I saw of it. After several weeks and a few phone calls they said they had split the frame and would give me another revolver in replacement or my money back. I said "how much money?" and they said "suggested retail" so I took the money and made about $260 on the deal.
 
Just over two years ago I had my LGS order a new 642. The store owner thought it was a good idea to order three so he could put two in his case. After reading about it here and elsewhere, I was sure that the one I ordered would arrive with a horribly canted barrel. When they came in I had the luxury of eyeballing/dry firing all three. I was pleased when all three were perfect. The other two were gone within a week.
 
You are correct, sir; but for quite a number of us here cosmetic issues are important.






Sir,

It's not nearly that simple, and I'm guessing that you're probably aware of that.


Most all the guns I have bought online are new. Any problems with them(there were none) would have either been covered by the manufacturer or Davidsons' Lifetime Guarantee. Canted barrels on new Smiths fall into this category. As been shown in this thread, used Smiths also fall into this category. As been also shown in this thread, current model Smiths aren't the only ones that may have canted barrels. As I said before, odds are most folks didn't notice or didn't care till it got to be an internet legend. All but one gun I have ever bought used were looked at closely, in person before I purchased. Only used gun I bought online, I asked and was confirmed by the seller that it would be as per presented and returning it would be on his dime. If that could not happen, I would not buy or I would accept the fact I may end up with something less than expected. Simple. If you are in a situation where that is not possible I am sorry for you. Buying something with the clause "as is; no returns" would be all I would need to walk away. Again, simple. If I was that desperate that I wanted or felt I needed that firearm that bad to continue the transaction, than I need to accept the fact I'm probably gonna need lube. Again.....simple.


We all make concessions dependent on where we live. I'd like to ride my bike year round, but that don't happen here in Wisconsin. I'd like to hunt Elk or Moose here in Wisconsin instead of payin' big bucks to go somewhere else........ain't gonna happen. I can either move or accept what I have here. Same I think would go or purchasing a gun. If I had to resort only to buying a gun unseen, and thought the odds of getting a canted barrel on a Smith were too high for my liking, I'd go for a Ruger, or for a Taurus and roll the dice there, or I'd move, drive somewhere or make other arrangements to look at the gun first. Simple.

From everything I have seen out there and from what I've read here on this thread, the odds of getting a S&W with a canted barrel are somewhere between 0 and 3 outta ten. From what I have heard or read here, the chance of S&W not making their customers happy after getting a canted barrel is almost zero.
 
I've been looking at a model 60 Pro which DOES NOT have a canted barrel. I was discussing this with a fellow S&W owner and we started wondering just how common an occurance it really is. We've both been reluctant to buy any Smith revolvers online because of not wanting to get stuck with one although we both understand that Smith will probably correct the issue if it happens. So we're wondering what the odds really are. Is it one in a million, or one in three. You seldom hear from the guys who have correctly fitted barrels so maybe it's not as common as we think. On the other hand for every complaint you see on the board there may be lots of guys not on the board who have this problem. Any real facts concerning this problem or even an educated guess (not a WAG but someone who's actually seen it on more than one occasion).
I had a new 642 that was off slightly, it went to S&W and returned the same way
 
I was looking for a J frame and decided I'd better try to find one locally because I can't stand a canted barrel. So I went to a gun show and started my hunt. I can't remember which model I had decided to get but one dealer had about 5 of them and every one of the guns had a canted barrel. So I switched over to a Gunsmoke model because the barrels were OK. Actually glad that happened because I love my Gunsmoke. :D

I purchased a M60 Pro (the .38 special model) off GunBroker and kept my fingers crossed. It was perfect, thank goodness. So were several other S&W PC revolvers purchased unseen. I was taking a chance but it all worked out.

After awhile, when staring at the barrel/sights I imagine a small cant even if it's not there!!!! I sometimes wish I had never read about the canted barrels.....
 
I've been looking at a model 60 Pro which DOES NOT have a canted barrel. I was discussing this with a fellow S&W owner and we started wondering just how common an occurance it really is. We've both been reluctant to buy any Smith revolvers online because of not wanting to get stuck with one although we both understand that Smith will probably correct the issue if it happens. So we're wondering what the odds really are. Is it one in a million, or one in three. You seldom hear from the guys who have correctly fitted barrels so maybe it's not as common as we think. On the other hand for every complaint you see on the board there may be lots of guys not on the board who have this problem. Any real facts concerning this problem or even an educated guess (not a WAG but someone who's actually seen it on more than one occasion).

I think the odds of getting a canted barrel are so small as to be not worthy of consideration. The number of registered users of this forum are but a tiny percentage of S&W's customers, and the number of complainers about all warranty issues are but a tiny percentage of the number of registered users of this forum. Besides that, few of the people who complain about canted barrels ever post pictures of the allegedly canted barrel.

I have NEVER seen one in 40+ years of shooting S&W and in roughly 30 years of having an FFL.

I am not saying they do not exist, but I am saying they are so rare as to be a non-issue.
 

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