# of rounds needed for Self Defense ?

[silvercorvette]

Originally posted by 5Wire:

A man and his dog average three legs between them.

Luvvitt!

A person can drown crossing a river who's average depth is only one inch

 

[5Wire]

Originally posted by silvercorvette:
A person can drown crossing a river who's average depth is only one inch

Is that like waterboarding?

 

[silvercorvette]

Originally posted by 5Wire:

Originally posted by silvercorvette:
A person can drown crossing a river who's average depth is only one inch

Is that like waterboarding?

nope, I am ready to go to sleep, i'll explain with the numbers tomorrow unless someone beats me to it, I don't know the numbers, but let's say the river is 1,000 feet wide, and the depth is 1/4 inch for 990 feet of the width, the remaining 10 feet of width would have to be a few feet deep to average out to one inch,


Or lets say you have on foot on a block of ice and one foot in a 500 degree oven. the average temp would be comfortable

 

[5Wire]

Originally posted by silvercorvette:
... i'll explain with the numbers tomorrow unless someone beats me to it...

No need, my question was a half vast attempt at humor.

See ya after I have coffee...

 

[Miss Fire]

I read somewhere that the "average" was 2-rounds and the time was 3-4 seconds. One of my revolvers holds 5 the other 6 and I'm much more accurate with them than the semi- auto's.
Maybe that's the those bottom feeders hold more rounds???

 

[Dusty Miller]

Originally posted by 44forever:
The only times you can have too much ammo is if you are drowning or on fire!

HUH?

 

[kdm2]

I have found 15 rounds in the gun and a spare mag in the car console works for me.

 

[1968hawkeye]

Originally posted by feralmerril:
If I need more than the 5 in my model 40 s&w, I am in REAL trouble! Come on! How many times have you or anyone else ever heard of since the old west ever heard of a citizen hideing behind a boulder and haveing a shootout until the posse shows up later in the afternoon?

To paraphrase Jeff Cooper, "If it takes you more than five rounds, you have probably have already lost the argument."

Hawkeye

 

[GatorFarmer]

Originally posted by 1968hawkeye:

To paraphrase Jeff Cooper, "If it takes you more than five rounds, you have probably have already lost the argument."

Hawkeye

Only problem with that is that Cooper was an early champion of the 7+1 Colt 1911 and sometimes stressed that one advantage that it had over a revolver was that it was faster to reload. Back the in the 60s, he even had nice things to say about the Model 39 a few times, including that it held more rounds than a six gun and reloaded faster...

 

[18DAI]

Google "NYPD SOP 9".

The "average" gunfight still seems to be over in 3.5 rounds. Well within the capacity of a revolver.

The average joe is well served by a CCW revolver.....even a 5-shot.

I'm a DA Investigator and have to go where the skels and goblins dwell. More often than not, I go with a 2.5" 66-2 and three speedloaders full of Speer Gold Dot 158 grain (and NO I'm not concerned with overpenetration). I'm well armed, and in thirteen years, have yet to come upon a situation requiring more than 3 rounds.

Anyway, the primary purpose of my handgun is to enable me to reach my 870 in the trunk. So for me the whole "how much" discussion boils down to "as much as I might need". My 0.02 Regards 18DAI.

 

[Spotteddog]

Interesting dilemma? I suppose an average wiener like me would be looked at askance by an LEO during a traffic stop, for having a pump gun in my trunk? I know I'd look askance at a civvy wiener with a 12 gauge in his trunk, if I were making the stop!

 

[Jeb Stonewall]

It all comes down to -what are the (odds) that you will ever NEED 15 or more rounds in a self defence encounter.


What's the odds that you will EVER need any gun for self defence?

If you want to play the odds----
Odds are,- you will never need a gun!

But when your talking about your life, you might want to stack the odds in your favor.

 

[silvercorvette]

The consequences of not having enough are far worst than those of having too much. In the grand scheme of things the energy expended and inconvenient of carry the few extra ounces of ammo are nothing compared to the feeling you will get when you realize you have run out of ammo

 

[G-Mac]

Guns are bad. Nobody needs a gun except for the police and the military. Civilized people should attempt to negotiate their way out of a hostile situation. If that doesn't work, do whatever your attacker says, in hopes that he will spare your life.

I hope that our town has a gun buy-back program soon, so that I can get rid of all these evil things that seem to have accumulated around my house.

 

[SmithSwede]

This may be heresy, but I sometimes wonder if it could be a bad thing for a civilian to have lots of rounds on board.

Why? Because if 6 rounds or so haven't solved the problem and you can't get to cover to reload your "low capacity" weapon, then you may be dealing with multiple adversaries that have overwhelmed you and/or you are desperately fighting with somebody on the ground. If so, then there's the chance that you could lose your own gun in the brawl.

If this happens to me with a revolver, I'm pretty sure that I will have shot most of my antagonists and teh gun is empty. So they will gain nothing by attempting to get my unloaded gun. But if I'm shooting a hi-cap Glock and get overwhelmed, well, it would be terrible to be shot mutliple times with your own gun using all that extra ammo you brought to the scene.

I have no data on this. I could be totally wrong. I'm sure there are times when it would be wonderful to have extra ammo.

But I sometimes think we worry too much about the rare possibility of needing lots and lots of extra ammo, and we never consider the possibility that there could also be rare circumstances in which lots of ammo might be counterproductive.

 

[DelavanKs]

Just yesterday the KBI agent that was giving a class at out rifle range told that the average shooting lasts 2.8 seconds from a distance of 15 feet or less and a round count of 2.1
Said that they were FBI figures I don't know
and haven't checked it out
CHUCK

 

[8654jm]

KDM2 -

Many years ago, I formed three rules to live by.

One - Never run out of water.

Two - Never run out of ammo.

Three - Never let your will to live slip away.

To this day, they have served me well.

Carry what you need.

Not what someone else thinks you need.

For the day might come when you will need it all.

SF

8654JM

 

[Farmer17]

Its hard for me to believe the current average rounds in a gunfight is two or three. They must be counting fights where the other guy doesn't have a gun. It seems like the gunfights I see on the news or read about have a whole lot more rounds fired than that.

 

[Centenniel]

Originally posted by 8654jm:
KDM2 -

Many years ago, I formed three rules to live by.

One - Never run out of water.

Two - Never run out of ammo.

Three - Never let your will to live slip away.

To this day, they have served me well.

Carry what you need.

Not what someone else thinks you need.

For the day might come when you will need it all.

SF

8654JM

Three excellent rules to live by.

 

[Guest]

Just ONE if you can get "them" all lined up right before the first shot!!!