Ohio Police Encounter - Notification

[oldman45]

What If I disarmed you momentarily? Since we're in the business of comprimise, I'll give you my gun when you give me yours. I don't beleive anyone has the right to disarm me unless I have commited and infraction.

Again, many here jump to conclusions. If you are pulled over, you have or pretty much assured to have committed an infraction. Officers have way too much to do than pull people over for the fun of it.

I spend my day in court arguing for one side or another. Sometimes I testify for the good guy and some time I testify for the bad guy but in ALL cases someone did something wrong. Being pulled over for a tail light is a smoke screen for these guys saying they did nothing and should not give up their firearms for any reason. That is BS. Pulling one over for a light being out is nothing more than checking their papers and advising them of the light issue before sending them on their way. Most of the time they do not even get out of their car.

But I suppose those here that feel they should not give up their gun or notify might want to watch a few officer being shot videos. There are hundreds out there.

I will admit that there are rouge cops. I know a few but even those do not deserve to be shot by a felon because they did not want to remove his firearm under quesitoning. Nor does the citizen need to be shot for an innocent act appearing to be going for a gun.

Maybe these guys feeling their rights are being intruded upon should work a few nights alone on rural roads with help an hour away. All the officer is doing is protecting everyone involved.

 

[ladder13]

I'm stayin' outta this one, made enough of a fool of myself in another thread.

 

[27145]

Who do you guy's prefer, Ginger or Maryanne?

 

[blujax01]

Oldman45 if I read your intent correctly, I do not think police in Ohio are within their rights to disarm a citizen because they "are already lawbreakers, otherwise they would not have been pulled over" or words to that effect. I agreed with you that notification is a good idea because for instance, I do want the Officer to know that when I reach for my Registration he may well see a gun and should not be alarmed.
But to disarm me simply because I have a weapon? Sorry, after I complied - which I would do - you and I would be in Civil Court on that one. And I'd fly Cajunlawyer up here to be my Man.

 

[cshoff]

I'm stayin' outta this one, made enough of a fool of myself in another thread.

lol............I'm with you. I said my piece in this one. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Lost Lake]

Fantastic ideas here, I have 'liked' so many thoughtful posts and I was tempted to like a lot more but I already look like a schmoozer...

I don't mind declaring I have a gun on me or in my vehicle. I do object to having my gun taken away. If I were a threat to society, I wouldn't have my permit. I think an officer should only request a gun if he has reason to believe he may be endangered by the citizen having the gun. I think this may be in cases that a legal carrying person has become enraged, is intoxicated, or the officer is about to tell him the price of the ticket he's getting

 

[Red Tex]

There's simply NO excuse for that behavior

Bad Police Encounter
Hopefully this will finally kill the requirement to notify in Ohio.

This is at least the second time police have abused this requirement here. They can't be trusted with it and it needs to be taken away from them.

If those clowns who called themselves cops knew the encounter was being recorded, the only thing I can come up with that makes any sense at all is that the cops must have been on drugs of some sort.

 

[Engine 21]

I'm stayin' outta this one, made enough of a fool of myself in another thread.

Me too. Enough for a day or so.

 

[27145]

Me too. Enough for a day or so.

Why? I make a fool out of myself everytime I post, but I keep pluggin' away.

 

[cmort666]

Officers have way too much to do than pull people over for the fun of it.

And yet they still do it...

 

[cmort666]

Both, at the same time. Seriously, just watched the video, that "officer" needs to be taken behind the woodshed, & given an attitude adjustment. So wrong in so many ways............Here's a link, if no one has posted it:


It's good that the video was finally released.

If that cop EVER uses his firearm, justified or not, he's going to be second guessed seven ways to Sunday. I'd just LOVE to be in the courtroom to see him skinned alive by a defendant's... or plaintiff's counsel.

He's never going to live this down, and I'm going to be one of the people making sure of it.

 

[Springfeildkid585]

Again, many here jump to conclusions. If you are pulled over, you have or pretty much assured to have committed an infraction. Officers have way too much to do than pull people over for the fun of it.

I spend my day in court arguing for one side or another. Sometimes I testify for the good guy and some time I testify for the bad guy but in ALL cases someone did something wrong. Being pulled over for a tail light is a smoke screen for these guys saying they did nothing and should not give up their firearms for any reason. That is BS. Pulling one over for a light being out is nothing more than checking their papers and advising them of the light issue before sending them on their way. Most of the time they do not even get out of their car.

But I suppose those here that feel they should not give up their gun or notify might want to watch a few officer being shot videos. There are hundreds out there.

I will admit that there are rouge cops. I know a few but even those do not deserve to be shot by a felon because they did not want to remove his firearm under quesitoning. Nor does the citizen need to be shot for an innocent act appearing to be going for a gun.

Maybe these guys feeling their rights are being intruded upon should work a few nights alone on rural roads with help an hour away. All the officer is doing is protecting everyone involved.

I'm stateing that I don't know the cop either. I've had a cop brandish his sidearm on me for talking about firearms as a part of a report in the hallways of my highschool(turns out he hadn't checked in with the front desk bringing him up to two felonies in my state) I feel uncomfortible with someone with his own gun telling me I can't have mine while we're talking "for both our saftey". The second amendment wasnt put in place just so we could hunt and defend against muggers.

 

[Springfeildkid585]

And yet they still do it...

I've had the Lt. of the nightshift for one of our local departments tell me they almost never pull you over just because you were speeding. They really are trying to find something else out, heck he told me that they ran plates because they were bored. When this is comeing from the highest ranking guy you get without wakeing someone up, I tend to trust him that they do indeed have time to pull us over for fun.

 

[armsmaster270]

As a Retired Police Officer I hope they really break it off in the officers involved. Their handling of the stop should get them fired.

 

[cmort666]

As a Retired Police Officer I hope they really break it off in the officers involved. Their handling of the stop should get them fired.

I suspect that it won't, but it'll cripple their ability to work. EVERY use of force by either will come under an electron microscope. They'll become lawsuit magnets.

 

[cmort666]

This is racing through the gun boards like wildfire.

When it INEVITABLY hits the political blog sites, the cop's life and career are OVER. There won't be any place on the face of the earth where he can go to escape it, certainly not and work as a cop. He could move to the most distant mountain village in the Philippines and people will spit when they see him coming.

 

[walnutred]

You kidding Cmort, they probably already have received job offers from cities like Chicago, New Orleans, the TSA and a couple in NJ.

 

[oldman45]

Simple question now. Why are some here unwilling to give up their gun for a few minutes when it is for their own safety? Are you so in fear for your life that you feel someone will come after you as the officer handles a routine stop? Are you afraid the officer will shoot you? If so, you are more apt to be shot when he sees you reach for a gun.

Maybe you think the officer is going to steal your gun?

Spend a few days in the shoes of an officer and see if you feel the same.

 

[walnutred]

Simple question now. Why are some here unwilling to give up their gun for a few minutes when it is for their own safety? Spend a few days in the shoes of an officer and see if you feel the same.

I think the safest place for my handgun is secured in my holster. Having a stranger handle a loaded firearm that they most likely are NOT trained on in my close vicinity does not improve anyones safety. Why do YOU feel my holstered firearm presents a threat to a LEO. At that point he has run my plates and he has my drivers license, so my ID is pretty well established. Will my 50 + years of behavior suddenly change causing me to shoot a LEO over a minor traffic ticket? You honestly think I'm going to trade a few points on my drivers license and a $100 ticket for an almost certain felony conviction and probably life in prison by shooting a LEO during a simple traffic stop?

 

[Engine 21]

OOOPs

Just as I thought - unbalanced and unprofessional and soon to unemployed. The city's legal beagles well know the liability they now have because of these officers actions both criminally and civil. The Risk Management attorneys have to be bouncing off the walls. Time to batten down the hatches Canton Ohio.

Who wants to bet this gets national media coverage?