Old can of IMR-4227
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fredj338
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Hey i got one of those!
I actually have 3 of those that I bought within the last year. Though they don't have that price sticker on them, and I actually paid less than that per pound.
Aircrewman
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Yep.... afraid that those days are gone forever..... I just received a gift of one of our great members here of a book that shows all of the reloading stuff from 50yrs ago.... brings a little moisture to the eyes... my oh my.
ArchAngelCD
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A local shop has a lot of older bottles of powder but unfortunately he changed the price tags to todays prices. What did you load with that powder?
I may have tossed the Bulleseye can that was marked $2.95 from the '60's.
I know that many folks swear that smokeless powder never breaks down or takes a very, very long time to do so... But the only powder I have ever went out and purchased as new and then used, and then stored and kept and EVENTUALLY tried to use again but got extremely poor results with is exactly a can of that same stuff in the same style can. IMR-4227 in exactly that can.
I am almost certain I bought the can in 1991. Good chance it was 2-3-5 years old when I bought it, given the store I bought it from. I tried it this spring and had poor results and I would have to say that yes, it does smell odd when I sniff it, different than what I am accustomed to smelling.
You never even suggested that you were going to use it and maybe yours is fine, I have no idea. In my own cache are some powders just as old or older that still give me good service. All I am saying is "beware."
I am almost certain I bought the can in 1991. Good chance it was 2-3-5 years old when I bought it, given the store I bought it from. I tried it this spring and had poor results and I would have to say that yes, it does smell odd when I sniff it, different than what I am accustomed to smelling.
You never even suggested that you were going to use it and maybe yours is fine, I have no idea. In my own cache are some powders just as old or older that still give me good service. All I am saying is "beware."
DWalt
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4227 is mainly for small capacity cases like .22 Hornet, and will work in .30 Carbine, also in various handgun Magnum loads, and also in some of the old large-caliber black powder rifle loads like .45-70.. I still have some cans of 4227 going back into the 1970s (when duPont made it), and there is nothing at all wrong with it.
I found a can of Herco in the basement marked $2.30 I'm still shooting the H4831 (surplus WWII powder) which I purchased for $29.95. This was for 50 pounds delivered to my door. Ah the good old days!
jimbo728
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I will be using my old 4227 soon to cook up some .44Mag loads on the light end of the magnum spectrum. I have been using 2400 but it is running low and not on the local shelves.
I think I paid about $10 for mine in the late `80s. Nope, just checked the can, IMR 4227. $12.70.
Jim
I think I paid about $10 for mine in the late `80s. Nope, just checked the can, IMR 4227. $12.70.
Jim
fredj338
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Full power magnum rev rds.
muddocktor
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That can sure looks lonely in this thread. I have a 231can, 2-571 cans and a Bullseye can I've had since the early/mid 80's I saved after using the powder. I'll try to take some pics and post them up later today so your can isn't so lonely. I don't have any pricing on them though but do know for a fact that they date as I posted. The Bullseye is in the Hercules bottle and the Winchester powders are the old metal cans they used back then.
I used to use the 571 to reload 10 gauge shells for duck and goose hunting until they outlawed lead for hunting waterfowl. I used the last of those powders up only a few years ago.
I used to use the 571 to reload 10 gauge shells for duck and goose hunting until they outlawed lead for hunting waterfowl. I used the last of those powders up only a few years ago.
buck460XVR
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I found it works very well for heavy bullets in .44 and .460 mag, especially in long pipes and carbines. It is my go to powder in .460 mag. That said the older formulation of IMR4227 is not the same as present day IMR4227. Used to be there was both a IMR4227 and a H4227 with slightly different formulations and different charge weights. We were told not to interchange. A few years back Hodgdon the distributor of both, discontinued the brand H4227 and then rebranded that formulation as the new IMR4227. Old IMR4227 I would still load with old info, newer IMR4227 can be loaded with old H4227 info or new info.
muddocktor
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Glad you posted that info, buck460XVR. I remembered that they did something with the 2 powders but didn't remember which they phased out. So I guess any load that the Hodgdon reloading data page shows showing loads with H4227 powder are pertinent to the "new" IMR 4227 powder, right?
Qc Pistolero
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WOW!$16.40 a pound of powder!What a trip back in time.I just bought 1 at a little over $40.OK,this is CDN$ but still!Almost $50 when you add govt's share on top of it!(that would translate $37 USD).
Well,I guess I haven't lost everything since as I write this,I got a 50rds box of .38SPL on my desk that dates from the early '60s and carries a price tag of $5.60.
Qc
Well,I guess I haven't lost everything since as I write this,I got a 50rds box of .38SPL on my desk that dates from the early '60s and carries a price tag of $5.60.
Qc
muddocktor
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Well, got around to taking a pic of my old cans. I found that 2 of the cans did have a price marked. One of the 571 cans has a label showing $10.99 and the can of 231 has a tag on the cap at the same price. The other 571 can was bought at the same time as the marked can and I think the Bullseye was bought at roughly the same time too.
Anyways, here they are:
Anyways, here they are:
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DWalt
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Guys, I remember when powder was $3/can. If you bought bulk surplus powders like 4831, you could get that for less than $1/lb.
Eddie Southgate
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I still have Black powder that I bought new for $1.25 a pound. I also have smokeless that is 50 and more years old and still as good as it ever was. Stored properly I think it will last several lifetimes.
Eddie
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