One in chamber at home?

No safety and half the trigger pull is the difference. If I hook a finger into the trigger guard of my fnx9 or jframe its not going to go BANG on accident with out actually pulling the trigger.

I guess my issue here is that a Glock does have a safety, the safe action trigger. I also don't think that the Glock is any more likely to go bang unless you put your finger on the trigger than your Jframe is.

I don't know that I'd sleep with an unholstered Glock next to me but I don't think I'd sleep with any unholstered firearm next to me.
 
I sleep with a Glock next to me on the night stand.

The idea IS NOT to have your finger on a trigger heavy enough not to go off. The idea IS TO have your finger on the trigger ONLY when shooting.

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I sleep with a Glock next to me on the night stand.

The idea IS NOT to have your finger on a trigger heavy enough not to go off. The idea IS TO have your finger on the trigger ONLY when shooting.



Holstered or unholstered?
 
While Glocks have certain safeties to prevent failure, I have to say I would sleep better with a true DA/DAO style gun if I were sleeping with it.

A Glock striker fire, with the gun chambered, has the firing pin pulled back and under pressure to fire. It is prevented by the sear of course, but Glock also has a "striker safety" that is in front of the firing pin between it and the round. It moves out of the way when the trigger is pulled, like the hammer block in a S&W.

That's fine, but it's still not as "safe" to me as having the hammer at rest where no amount of mechanical failures will make the gun fire. The hammer isn't under pressure to strike the round to begin with. The Glock would have to have 2 failures, the sear and the striker safety that stops the striker, but a DA/DAO at rest doesn't have to count on anything not failing b/c there's no pressure on any part of the gun to go off. That's just me.
 
There was a guy on another forum that used to swear up and down that he had an unholstered GLOCK under his pillow
 
TL;DR at end...

That part IS A myth. It just happened to work for your friend.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your use of the word Myth... I'm using the Merriam-Webster definition "an unfounded or false notion."

By my reckoning if racking can, does, and has worked it ceases to be, "an unfounded or false notion."

As I stated before its not something that works in EVERY situation. Of course, its also worth noting that SHOOTING an armed assailant ALSO isn't a 100% guarantee of success. As in *MOST* things self defense related it is ENTIRELY subjective to the situation at hand. Sometimes we grab a handgun, sometimes the shotty, some times an AR or AK, they all have roles, just like different tactics (like a loud rack, or yelling, "Get out! I have a gun!") have roles.

It was also possible that he could have racked a completely empty shotgun as a bluff, with the same positive results.

I fail to see how THAT could be a bad thing... If the threat is ended, and you're safe you and the gun have done your job. The GOAL of self defense is NOT simply, to make work for the coroner. (Admittedly its not necessarily to AVOID making work either...) The goal is to end a threat, if you can do that with an empty gun, the goal is achieved.

Its also possible that the person on the other side of the door is not a drunk frat boy and upon hearing the racking unloads his own gun through the door.

Except in the case where the guy is definitely a drunk frat boy looking to hit you with a tire iron because you told him to stop blasting music and blowing his car horn at 3am.

As I said, its all situational. In my friend's case, he read the situation, called 911, told them he was armed, the drunk frat boy was armed and coming to his apartment to fight and he was in fear for his own life. The 911 operator told him that police were already on their way, but if the frat boy entered his apartment he was allowed to defend himself.

I get that you have kids and have to do what you have to do but that doesn't make "racking the pump to scare away the bad guy" a good idea

It doesn't make it a bad idea either, and its better than some of the other options.

Honestly, I can't see a single instance where having bits of metal flying around my home at thousand feet per second is a great idea.

Maybe you live somewhere significantly different than me. (I grew up north of Philly and am in Lancaster now.) I'm in a crossover suburban/rural area with neighbors all around me (except on the side of me that is a farm). I like my house, and don't know of a single place where a shotgun or bullet hole or blood or other biological matter would improve the decor. I have kids, pets, a wife, and neighbors (who I sort of get along with). I can't see a single instance where I would be ok with accidentally hitting one of them with a stray round or blast of shot.

For me, shooting is the *LAST* resort.

Add into that, the layout of my house doesn't exactly lend itself to secret ninja maneuvers and sneaking up on bad guys to snipe them with a shotgun. If there is going to be a confrontation they will know I am coming, I might as well send a notice that I'm armed, and if I draw fire at least it won't be going in the direction of my children's room, and I won't be in a clear line of sight when I do.

So yeah. For me, in my situation, based on the people I am most likely to encounter, based on the layout of my home, based on the area around where I'd be forced to shoot, (Always be aware of your target, and what is behind it.) racking or calling out, "I have a gun!" is not only a GOOD IDEA, but probably the BEST idea.

TL;DR Just because something isn't the best choice in ALL situations doesn't mean that its not the best choice in SOME situations. Saying, "Never rack as a warning" is throwing the baby out with the bath water.
 
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Maybe myth isn't the right word.

I think the concern here is when people become convinced and actually teach that just racking the slide will cause the bad guy to poop his pants and run.

I've actually had a co-worker tell me that he leaves his wife home alone with an empty shotgun because "everyone knows that sound" and all she has to do is rack the slide and any intruder will leave her alone.

He actually got offended when I suggested that his plan might just get his wife killed
 
TL;DR at end...



Maybe I'm misunderstanding your use of the word Myth... I'm using the Merriam-Webster definition "an unfounded or false notion."

By my reckoning if racking can, does, and has worked it ceases to be, "an unfounded or false notion."

As I stated before its not something that works in EVERY situation. Of course, its also worth noting that SHOOTING an armed assailant ALSO isn't a 100% guarantee of success. As in *MOST* things self defense related it is ENTIRELY subjective to the situation at hand. Sometimes we grab a handgun, sometimes the shotty, some times an AR or AK, they all have roles, just like different tactics (like a loud rack, or yelling, "Get out! I have a gun!") have roles.

Yes its true that shooting a bad guy doesnt guarantee success but the outcome is far more likely to be in your favor. Yealling "get out I have a gun" is good to but with a already loaded gun. He leaves....great! If he desides to kick the door in as your are yealling...??? Well if youre already loaded ...shoot! For all you know he's in the prosess of kicking as you are about to yeal.


I fail to see how THAT could be a bad thing... If the threat is ended, and you're safe you and the gun have done your job. The GOAL of self defense is NOT simply, to make work for the coroner. (Admittedly its not necessarily to AVOID making work either...) The goal is to end a threat, if you can do that with an empty gun, the goal is achieved.

Yes but do it already prepared. If I was in that situation I would....Be on the opposite side of my bed, furthest from the door. On the phone with 911, shotgun loaded and pointed at the door yealling "get out Im armed". Even yealling might be a bad idea. If he's armed you just told him to start shooting through the door.



Except in the case where the guy is definitely a drunk frat boy looking to hit you with a tire iron because you told him to stop blasting music and blowing his car horn at 3am.

In this case it, was but how would you know who's there? HOPE for the best but BE PREPARED for the worst. I sure hope its just the neightbor's drunk teen but Im already ready for a home invation by a junky looking to rob me and possibly hurt me.

As I said, its all situational. In my friend's case, he read the situation, called 911, told them he was armed, the drunk frat boy was armed and coming to his apartment to fight and he was in fear for his own life. The 911 operator told him that police were already on their way, but if the frat boy entered his apartment he was allowed to defend himself.



It doesn't make it a bad idea either, and its better than some of the other options.

Honestly, I can't see a single instance where having bits of metal flying around my home at thousand feet per second is a great idea.

When they are flying from your gun and not his

Maybe you live somewhere significantly different than me. (I grew up north of Philly and am in Lancaster now.) I'm in a crossover suburban/rural area with neighbors all around me (except on the side of me that is a farm). I like my house, and don't know of a single place where a shotgun or bullet hole or blood or other biological matter would improve the decor. I have kids, pets, a wife, and neighbors (who I sort of get along with). I can't see a single instance where I would be ok with accidentally hitting one of them with a stray round or blast of shot.

For me, shooting is the *LAST* resort.

Add into that, the layout of my house doesn't exactly lend itself to secret ninja maneuvers and sneaking up on bad guys to snipe them with a shotgun. If there is going to be a confrontation they will know I am coming, I might as well send a notice that I'm armed, and if I draw fire at least it won't be going in the direction of my children's room, and I won't be in a clear line of sight when I do.

So yeah. For me, in my situation, based on the people I am most likely to encounter, based on the layout of my home, based on the area around where I'd be forced to shoot, (Always be aware of your target, and what is behind it.) racking or calling out, "I have a gun!" is not only a GOOD IDEA, but probably the BEST idea.

TL;DR Just because something isn't the best choice in ALL situations doesn't mean that its not the best choice in SOME situations. Saying, "Never rack as a warning" is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

I live outside of Philly in Middle Bucks. Not all that far from Lancaster...maybe an hour drive. Im 20 minutes or so from Quakertown. Live in a townhouse. Also suburban/urban setting. Plenty of nice developments but also lots of farm land. Have a dog as well....no kids. I also dont want to redecorate my house, dont want hazmat blood or biological splatter BUT all that pails in comerison with me not wanting to be in a body bag or seriously injured. If its between the two I'll take redecorating my house any day of the year over spending time in a hospital, that I would have to pay for, or 6ft under. And Im not saying you should never give a warning. Im saying you should never give a warning by chambering your weapon.

What if you dont hear it in time to give a warning? By the time you wake your bedroom door is already being opened?!?! WHat then? Yes it true you might have to fight...very possible..but if you can get to your weapon ITS ALREADY LOADED. What if your weapon jams as you try to load it? Your hand slips off the slide or you get a failure to load in the gun/shotgun? If it were already loaded you at least get one shot off.

By all means, give all the warning you want...but be already prepared before you do.
 
I've got no problem at all with a home intruder both knowing where I am and knowing I am armed. I am not hunting, I am defending. I will shout loudly directing them to get the **** out of my house, and assure that 911 is on the phone. That way it is all documented in case the responding officers decide I am worth arresting if a shooting occurs. I have no need to sneak around the house. Besides, they will know about where I am by the location of the extremely bright flashing light pointed in their eyes.

BTW, I really would rather have them run than shoot them.
 
Maybe I was in the Army too long but the thought of calling out just wouldn't occur to me. I'm not sure of the legalities but I was taught that an ambush is usually better than a movement to contact
 
No one knows

I live alone, only kid is a 75 lb. fur child that is part of the home security system. Two handguns, one a .357 revolver and the other a .45acp 1911 with a round in the chamber and thumb safety on. Both guns are hidden in locations where nobody knows but me and are easy to access.

There are only so many places you can hide something while making it east to access - don't underestimate the bad guys.

Way back when I had a hidden magnetic kill switch on my car - and I forgot to tell the guy at the tire shop where he had to hold the magnet to bypass the hidden kill system - but he figured it out - as there are only so many places in the car that you reach with your hand while also turning the ignition key with the other hand.
 
Sound

Now, your avg opportunist will probably leave hearing that noise. Even if he doesn't know what it is he knows someone is up and around. However, how do you know who's down there? If he's on something? how many are there? Could be a deaf crackhead for all you know

No warnings.

It worked for me. Attempted home entry in the 80's. Racked one in the chamber of a Mossberg 12ga. and he left. Called the Police. They came,took a report and left. End of my "study of one" story but I'm sure there are more.

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I have 7 handguns and two shotguns for defense in my two story home. No children. They are located so they are handy and reachable during normal use of the house and pool area. Some are revolvers, some semi-auto. They all have one in the pipe so they can do what they were intended to do...shoot somebody! Forget racking. If you're not prepared to IMMEDIATELY terminate the threat then you are asking for trouble. Do you really plan to have a discussion with him about leaving?
 
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Do you store it with one in the chamber?
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Not to split hairs with details but if it's being used as home protection/SD, I don't consider it stored and consequently it's ready to go.
I don't store loaded guns in my safe, etc. but if any irresponsible folks are about that might cause problems with my loaded guns, I secure them properly which may require them to be unloaded for the time being. I'm referring to guns about the house but not on on my person and usually pertains to children.
 
No kids around any more and the house is alarmed, so anyone who's not supposed to be inside is going to start a lot of commotion. So yes, my piece is in condition one 24/7.
 
3 M&P's, 2 Revolvers, 20ga Shotgun, and .22 Rifle. ALL loaded and chambered! I live out of town and there is NO WAY a LEO can get here before the SHTF. :eek: :(
 
IMHO ?
Whatever makes sense to you is OK...
Whatever you comfortable with, is OK...

It is different, if you just bought and owned a gun for the first time in your life 3 months ago or if you grow up around guns and hunting and owned pistols since last 40 years...

Whatever makes you comfortable, confident and safe...
Nobody can say "this is the way it should be for you".
It has to be and must be your choice!

But no matter what or how you choose to do , I congratulate you on your decision of having a gun in your home for SD of yourself and your loved ones!
I hope you never, ever have to use it.
But if you do, I am sure you'll do the best you can!
 
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