One school's solution to bullies.

In "my" day-Grades 7-12 here in Central NJ-the word that struck fear and terror into unruly young males was "JAMESBURG" ! That was the state's main reform school, unlike these country club institutions with their "college campus" atmosphere today it was a place all but the most hardened wanted to stay out of.
 
Hodgin said:
Sounds strange. Apparently the school doesn't know the who's responsible for sending it out.
Parents Still Questioning the Origin of Inaccurate Bullying Flyer
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Ahhhh BS. They know exactly who was the team of experts who put this together, and who critiqued it, approved it, and who put their 2 cents in.

My younger son was bullied, and it wound up getting pretty bad. He was VERY hurt and frustrated. He told the teachers, and they were rather thick-skulled in their dismissal of his pleas for some help. He was trying to be the good kid, and not fight.

Finally, I told him to not bother with holding back, and if the guy is asking for it... feed it to him.

So he did. Big time. And when we were called in to the office, they were 'shocked' to hear that he was being bullied. And they felt he was not really serious when he had complained the 3 times. Yeah... 3 different times over a 2 week period when he'd had it up to here. Teachers aide had to admit that the other kid harassed him, and threw several punches before my son reacted..... but my son did not bother with just patty-caking with the kid. He split the kids lip, and bloodied his nose heavily. Got him to the ground, got on top and hammered the guy good.

The principal told us that 'Regardless of who is at fault and regardless of the fact that he was defending himself, he would be suspended for the rest of the week- 3 days. This is a very serious matter. Now DAD- what do you have to say about this?'

" Well- if he ever comes after you again, don't be nice to him like you were today. You show him you REALLY mean business, and I will back you up and sue these idiots to back to the stone age. And, since you are off school for the next 3 days..... Let's go home and grab the rods and go fishing. We'll fish a different place each day; it will be great!"

"Does that about cover it for you????":cool:

The principal looked at me. My sons' teacher looked at me. The TA looked at me. The other kids' parents, who were in the room looked at me. The other kid was in the nurses office, getting his nose iced. I'm pretty sure the kids' dad got the message very clear, the look I gave each of them was not the one that said "Let's all go grab a beer and forget about all this.":rolleyes:

The principal had the kid transferred, and I think he did so to protect himself...... he did not give one rat-fink about the kids.

True story- maybe the greatest single day of being a dad!:D
 
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You cannot reason with the unreasonable. There are those that understand only the language of force. These two truths undermine so much of the current perspective on life.

My opinion, so many of these school shootings are caused by the zero tolerance (and zero thought by school administrators) policies. The good kids get picked on, and they don't want to get in trouble by fighting back. Eventually, they get fed up and snap. Bad things happen.

I have a son that was being picked on in kindergarten. He was coming home with marks and scratches. When I talked to him about it, he didn't want to get in trouble and lose his weekend XBox time. I sat him down and told him that he would not get in touble for defending himself, but that he would get in trouble with me if he didn't defend himself. I even told him that it would be fun and funny to hit the other boy in the nose and make him cry in front of everyone. He had to use that once or twice, but he hasn't been bullied since then.
 
Gutless bullies always pick smaller targets since they are gutless and I was never large in stature.

When I was in school my dad always told us if we ever picked a fight we deserved to get our a** kicked, but if we were defending ourselves then he simply said "hurt them" and we would never get in trouble.

Now since I was not a big guy there were some who picked on me. When the time came to dot their eye they never tried messing with me again. They only tried once.

so with that said if your picked on the only correct way to correct the error is to
1. dot their eye
2. give them a split lip
3. bloody the nose.
 
I tried to keep all that in mind when the bully stabbed my 9 year old son in the nose with the sharp steel scissors Thursday. It did not work.
 
My older brother loved to fight, I never cared too much for it but never backed down from one either, as a result I got my fanny handed to me many times! I will say though back in those days after the fight was over we normally shook hands and walked away friends, not bosom buddies mind you but on good speaking terms anyway. Never got in trouble from the school either. My have things have changed.
 
My two oldest were picked on occasionally, and on the same day had enough. They both got a 2 day suspension. I wasn't at all upset with them, I told them that in our modern times there is often a penalty for doing the right thing. Then at the family Christmas party, I had them explain the their grandfather (mom's side) why they got themselves suspended, a small crowd gathered around to hear what the retired Command Sargent Major had to say to his grandsons. He started like this, "Did I tell about the day in my senior year I threw a teacher through the window in the principal's office?" It really was a good story. Ivan
 
Will Carry said:
There sure are a lot of tough guys on this post.
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I'd say it is a mix. I was bullied, I happen to go by my Hawaiian name with friends, and when I was in school, I caught tons of flak for it in SoCal. So, I wound up in fights from time to time. Some wins, some losses.

My son, on the other hand...... he's always been the younger one, but not the little one. And since his brother is 5 years older, he has been pecked at by all my older sons' friends, from day 1. He will be THE first guy to give it to you straight on the nose. He grew up fighting guys 5 years older than him.

Nowadays.....6', 185lb, all business....... very few think of giving him the business, even though he just turned 18 and has a very young face. He carries himself as one to not be tangled with...... I wish I was him when I was younger! I fought a lot more than he has. A LOT. He was blessed with a fist of iron, and he delivers like Roy Jones Jr.- they never see the punch coming, they just realize their head is screwed on sideways. But John is the first to walk away from a fight. He does not ever go looking for a fight, and he actively tries to diffuse or step away from a fight. If I find out he was scrapping.... I know he had a very good reason, and felt he had no other options.

But yeah; some of us didn't think nothing about banging fists with some dude in the schoolyard. Call us barbarians or whatever- not everyone grows up in a nice, peaceful neighborhood. And fighting was not something we really looked forward to...... but every day, we woke up knowing that when we rounded the corner onto Continental drive, there were a big bunch of kids of another ethnicity who were just dyin' inside to show you up for their friends and to gain some social order. Some days, they were not there. Some days, there was one of them.... and there was never a fight on that day. The day there was 4 or 5 of them, and one of you...... you got ready to drop your backpack and you just KNEW you would be late for school because you would have to go home and get a new t-shirt.

And NO; we never really looked forward to those days- but I sure went thru a lot of them.
And if we ratted someone out??! I had a pencil broken off in my hip for telling a teacher about getting in a scrap with 3 guys. 5th grade was not the best year to be me.:cool:
 
Will Carry said:
There sure are a lot of tough guys on this post.
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Also, for perspective: Imagine how your young son would feel if he had a heavy southern accent, and you moved him up to say Boston. You don't think that he would be given a hard time for that now, do you.....:rolleyes:

Southern boys tend to give it real hard to kids who show up in town with a Ca-lee-fornian accent, or if they happen to sound like a mobster from Brooklyn. ;) I have seen it with my own eyes....... so don't say it's not out there.
 
Hillbilly77 said:
You don't have to be a "tough guy" to stand up to a bully.

A lot of times you don't even have to lay a finger on them.
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Pretty sure using a baseball bat is equal to, or greater than laying a finger on an Ahole.

But the sentiment is sure nice.:p
 
I was in college the last time I had to deal with a bully. I was visiting my aunt and uncle in New Jersey. There was a local kid that intimidated the other locals. If I remember correctly, his name was Jackie Fernando, or something similar. Apparently I attracted his attention because I was a foreigner from California. My cousin told me that this Jackie character was known for having a significantly sub-100 IQ.

One day Jackie decided that I needed a good beating. Jackie: 5'9", about 140 pounds, arms resembling toothpicks. Me: 5'11, 205 pounds, more muscle in my arms than he had in his skinny legs, college football player, linebacker/defensive line.

I had to talk this Jackie character out of fighting. Why? Because I would have missed the coming football season if I was sitting in a New Jersey jail after beating this guy into a bloody pulp, and because I was over 18, I would have been charged as an adult. Although sometimes, like right now, I kinda wish I had put this Jackie character in his place, which would have been a hospital.
 
I started first grade at 4 years and 4 months old. It was 1945, I was born april 29th 1941. My mom got a invite from the teacher to attend as I was a big kid and she thought I would be coming. It was war time. My mom ran a large country general store by herself so jumped at the mistake to have a free babysitter. By the time the "mistake" was found they still let me stay.
I should have failed every grade as I was a poor student yet they kept shoving me through to the next grade. I was as big or even bigger than most of my classmates. Yet I was bigger and slower than all of them as all were two to three years older than me. I was a walking target. All were more mature and faster than me. It worked okay but I ran into trouble starting with 7th grade at a new school with tough farm kids. I wouldnt wish 7th through my 2nd year of high school on hitler. I was in sometimes multable fights everyday. I never ever let on at home. Dad was a fighter and at 6ft 5"s couldnt understand or tollerate someone who whined. Or so I was convinced. Maybe I was wrong but I sure was more scared of him than any tormentors. I did walk around school with a ready chip on my shoulder. It got to where I couldnt stand to have somone come up close behind my back even to this day.
The last day of school when I was a junior a senior that was smaller than me but a tough farm kid and a good three years older than I gave me a sneak sucker punch on the nose breaking it. I was blinded and couldnt even see to fight back well. He instantly joined the air force and wasnt around. I lived on hate. Several years later I heard he was home on leave and found him at our village bar. I went in with the intendt of trying to beat him to death. He seen me coming and instantly ordered me a beer. I looked at the little **** and instantly felt great shame. To think that I had let him get the best of me a couple years prior, all the hate went out of me right there. I no doubt lost more fights than I won in those early days but one thing it done for me, and even though I am a fat old arthretic 73 year old grouch, I have never been afraid of anyone since then and still wouldnt back down to a soul today. I well might not win but I believe not too many would want to find out.
Dont start your kids too early in school. Now I am glad my mom did though.
 
joeintexas said:
This school thread got me to thinking....if I'm correct I have made it through yet another day without once using Algebra!!
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I use algebra regularly, but it's been over a quarter of a century since I've diagrammed a sentence.

I once asked an English teacher why I needed to know how to diagram a sentence. All she could muster was that I would need to if I were to become an English teacher.:DI told her I would sign a release swearing I would never teach an English class if I could avoid diagramming any more sentences.
 
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