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Open carried the past 2 days
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Jaysq
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When you carry a gun, you represent not only yourself, but all gun owners. For that reason, we all must maintain the highest standards. Open carry brings negative attention to us and puts people into a panic over seeing a gun.
To me, the time for open carry would be on trails, camping, etc. the time for concealed carry....everywhere else.
I just do not think open carry helps our cause and firmly believe it hurts it.
To me, the time for open carry would be on trails, camping, etc. the time for concealed carry....everywhere else.
I just do not think open carry helps our cause and firmly believe it hurts it.
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I understand where you're coming from. But I do disagree. First, it is an assumption without evidence that Open Carry brings negative attention.
Second, the only extent to which it brings gun owners negative attention is that the public has a distorted perception of firearms. People use to 'panic' when they saw a black person in the 'whites only' section of the bus. That was wrong. People may 'panic' when they see a legally armed American, but that too, is wrong for them to panic. The negative attention is not due to the law abiding open carrier---he is doing nothing wrong. It is due to the fact that the public is misguided in how they SHOULD view legally armed Americans. If the public saw more upstanding citizens openly carrying firearms, they will start to learn that gun owners are good, hardworking, upstanding citizens in their community and that gun on their hip makes them no different from them.
Any negative attention due to a well-mannered American who is legally openly carrying is UNWARRENTED and prejudice. This, in my opinion, needs to change for gun owners. And the way to do this is not simply hide from it. We deserve the respect of the American public as gun owners.
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The majority of people these days, are not comfortable around guns. If you OC you will encounter woman, children and old people. Why make these people uncomfortable, when you can simply conceal carry, and go about your business. I wouldn't OC, unless I was hunting, or in the woods.
Jaysq
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Regardless of my feelings, people are going to open carry and I do support their right to do that. You brought out a couple of points that I would like to see happen, such as changing the prejudice people have about gun owners. I grew up when owning a gun was not looked down on and most all of our presidents were NRA members. Somewhere along the way we became the"Gun Culture" and that really does need to change. Thanks for sharing your views, I enjoyed your post.
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Some people feel uncomfortable knowing that we simply own firearms. Why make them feel uncomfortable, when we can simply turn in our guns and be unarmed? Some people, women and children and even old people, felt uncomfortable seeing blacks sitting at the 'Whites only' lunch counter. Why make them feel uncomfortable when they could have just kept to the 'colored only' section and went about their business? This is obviously fatuous reasoning.
We are talking about our inalienable RIGHTS as human beings and Americans. People may feel uncomfortable about free Americans exercising their liberty, but their discomfort due to ignorance and bigotry is no reason to shirk from exercising our rights. Education is key.
Rastoff
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Nice word usage.
pmosley
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Let's not speak about the 2nd A either, someone may get upset and try to take our guns away for even having the thought. Oh, wait. 
People might feel uncomfortable knowing we own firearms, but they won't know unless we tell them, or OC. Just because we have a RIGHT to do something, doesn't mean we have to do it. Why draw attention open carrying, when you could simply conceal carry?
As for the blacks and white ****, I'm not even going to go there, it has feck all to do with open carrying.
You, Sir, are a true Patriot. I wish all LEO's were like you.
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All of these points you raise have my responses in my previous 3 posts.
'People might feel uncomfortable knowing we own firearms, but they won't know unless we tell them, or OC'. If you prefer to have to exercise your rights only in secrecy because the public, wielding their own hammer of tyranny, has an unjust prejudice against firearms, then you're welcome to live in secrecy. I prefer to work toward moral progress through education, toward a future where the public can view responsible firearm ownership in America without derision, bigotry, or suspicion. Secrecy is the last thing I want to promote.
'Just because we have a right to do something, doesn't mean we have to do it'. I agree with you on this 100 percent. I never said others have to OC, and I would never argue that others have to do anything other than respect the rights and liberty of others. I'm just asking that others do not tell me that I should not do that which I have a right to.
'Why draw attention open carrying, when you could simply conceal carry?' I answered this question in post 60. There are many reasons to Open Carry, some not having to do with 'attention', some having to do with promoting education.
'As for the blacks and white ****, I'm not even going to go there, it has feck all to do with open carrying'-- It has everything to do with open carrying INSOFAR as we are talking about inalienable human rights that we in America recognize. Our gun rights are about our civil rights as citizens; even if the exercise thereof might make some portion of the prejudiced population uncomfortable.
When you bring other peoples right, and race in to the argument, its not the same as open carrying. Gay people have the right to make out in public, and some do, but the majority don't do it because it might make some people uncomfortable.
I've been in the company of gay people, and I have no problem with this, but if two guys started making out in front of me, I'd feel uncomfortable. It IS there right to do so, but most respect society around them, and don't.
I don't feel like I'm excising my right in secrecy when I conceal carry. I choose to conceal carry because it makes my life easier. I don't get any unwanted attention, and make others feel uncomfortable. I think if people want to learn about firearms then great, but its not my place to try and educate, or promote guns.
It's a personal choice. I don't like to OC, and you do. Your views are not going to change, and neither will mine. I'm not saying your wrong, or I'm right, its just a personal choice, and those are my reasons why I won't do it.
I've been in the company of gay people, and I have no problem with this, but if two guys started making out in front of me, I'd feel uncomfortable. It IS there right to do so, but most respect society around them, and don't.
I don't feel like I'm excising my right in secrecy when I conceal carry. I choose to conceal carry because it makes my life easier. I don't get any unwanted attention, and make others feel uncomfortable. I think if people want to learn about firearms then great, but its not my place to try and educate, or promote guns.
It's a personal choice. I don't like to OC, and you do. Your views are not going to change, and neither will mine. I'm not saying your wrong, or I'm right, its just a personal choice, and those are my reasons why I won't do it.
SgtLumpy
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It likely makes the most people in the Castro district of San Francisco or in West Hollywood or Palm Springs, quite comfortable knowing that their community embraces their choice of "what's ok".
Likewise, open carry, in areas that promote and embrace it, is surely a much more comfortable situation than in places where it's not embraced.
In Arizona, a state where we fought hard and loud to promote open carry, it's simply not a "scare" issue. You open carry or you conceiled carry. Everyone simply assumes that a lot of people in the store/bank/restaurant with them are armed. And they WANT that, APPROVE of that, are PROUD of that.
It's simply all about what the local area is in favor of.
Sgt Lumpy
Your carrying a gun for self defense right? Urban area or not, if your open carrying you've sacrificed your one tactical advantage already.
The element of surprise.
The potential bad guy knows who you are, are you going to know who he is?
The element of surprise.
The potential bad guy knows who you are, are you going to know who he is?
Oh, good, you've "studied" it! Please provide evidence of open carriers "getting shot first". Please.
As far as why open carry, there's lots of reasons.
- It's more comfortable, especially in hot weather
- It shows gun owners in a good light
- It makes people aware of our gun rights (you'd be surprised by the number of conversations I have about open carry - most don't know it's legal)
- It's our right. Rights get used or they get lost - which do you want?
So what if it makes some metro-sexual pansy get his panties in a wad? The 2nd amendment doesn't say: "... shall not be infringed, unless it upsets irrational hoplophobes....".
If not you, who? If not now, when?
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shouldazagged
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And around, and around, and around she goes, and where she stops apparently is never.
SgtLumpy
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Which is perfectly ok in my opinion...
When we were adolescents, we all WANTED to be different. We'd dress, talk, act different just for the sake of being different. As our geezer index increases, we all seem to want everyone else to be "just like me".
Sgt Lumpy
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I guess my geezer index is high enough that I get tired more easily of the same old same old. Sorry about that. I have no desire to see everyone agree with me.
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