OPEN CARRY IN A CONCEALED CARRY STATE

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Miles Away said:
I called the local police who responded and quietly walked the individual out of the restaurant. They verified that he was legal, had a valid Tennessee concealed carry permit, and instructed him with regard to Tennessee Law. After placing his pistol in his vehicle he returned to the restaurant.
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This is the part I don't understand. If the police "verified that he was legal", why would they feel that they needed to further "instruct" him in regards to Tennessee law?

Once they "verified" the guy, that should've ended their involvement then and there.

Frankly, if I'd been the guy, I'd have just left and found somewhere else to eat. I don't need verifyin'. I'm too old to be puttin' up with that kind of paranoid B.S.
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WATCHDOG said:
I'm too old to be puttin' up with that kind of paranoid B.S.
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It's more than just paranoid. It's arrogant and bullying.

A new term has been coined for the "social justice warriors". They're now being called "crybullies", which is an apt term. It refers to somebody who while professing fear or "insult" acts to put his or her foot on the back of somebody's neck, to not only make them conform, but to make them VOCALLY AGREE.
 
Well, there's busy bodies in all walks of life.........

Thank goodness for the ignore feature here. ;)


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Originally Posted by Miles Away

This morning, My family and I were having breakfast in a local restaurant here in Tennessee when I noticed a very slovenly dressed individual standing at the buffet bar with a 9mm pistol in a holster on his hip.
I called the local police.......
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"I Called The Local Police" Ah, did ya use 911 or a non-emergence number ???


Well, Riddle me this....If, you saw someone 'Mexican Carrying' would you sic the INS on em?


Oh, and Tennessee ain't Miami Amy ;):D



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I personally do not like open carry, except by peace officers displaying a badge. That is not the law here in KS. KS has constitutional carry, no permit required. If you can legally own a gun, you may carry it anyway you please. Though I do not like it, I will support it. It is the law. I spent 30 years enforcing it. I must say I have yet to see anyone open carrying and I hope that trend continues. It upsets citizens and wastes LE resources as the initial letter indicates. KS does still have a permit for traveling to states that have reciprocity agreements with KS.
 
I open carry everyday it does not make me a target nor am I trying to show off that I have a gun. I am proud and show off the fact that I take steps to defend my family. I also believe in desensitizing folks to guns. I love the tactical advantage of a quicker unimpeded draw..I like the crime deterrent aspect.
 
"I guess he didn't care about the many other customers who were offended and intimidated"
Did you take a poll, how did you ascertain that anybody other than you were overly concerned about this guy?
"(after all there are a lot of people who are just plain afraid of guns)".
Wow, I don't really know how to respond to that statement but I'll try - guns are legal, carrying guns openly in Tn is legal, if people don't like it, too bad. The right to carry is not based on your appearance.
"It is situations like this that make life more of a hassle for those of us who have CCW and or LEOSA permits, and make points for those people who would restrict our rights to properly carry weapons".
It always amazes me when someone thinks they can dictate what is "Proper Carry"
I open carry and conceal carry depending on my mood and or where I am going and I will continue to do so until that right is taken from me.
 
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"slovenly", i thought it meant grubby, just from the context but i wasn't sure so i had to look it up. OP, if you don't like how someone is dressed, don't look and his money is as green as yours. if they kicked him out i think you should have been on the hook for the cost of his meal.
 
KSDeputy said:
I personally do not like open carry, except by peace officers displaying a badge. That is not the law here in KS. KS has constitutional carry, no permit required. If you can legally own a gun, you may carry it anyway you please. Though I do not like it, I will support it. It is the law. I spent 30 years enforcing it. I must say I have yet to see anyone open carrying and I hope that trend continues. It upsets citizens and wastes LE resources as the initial letter indicates. KS does still have a permit for traveling to states that have reciprocity agreements with KS.
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Who cares if it upsets someone? Its their fault they don't like an inanimate object. LEO resources won't be wasted if the quit responding to calls in which the carrier has his firearm holstered
 
WOW! This is being said by a person who has anything to do with gun ownership? This sounds more like an anti gun person infiltrating our forum. I mean, how the hell do you call the police on someone OC? If they choose OC or CC it is none of your business, If he was a bad guy, he would not have had a gun on his side like that. These actions just push our gun ownership society back a few steps,, By a gun owner? WOW This is horrible and ridiculous.
 
Miles Away said:
This morning, My family and I were having breakfast in a local restaurant here in Tennessee when I noticed a very slovenly dressed individual standing at the buffet bar with a 9mm pistol in a holster on his hip. His sleeveless t-shirt was pulled up over the holster so that it was openly displayed, and he walked around the restaurant with a sense of bravado that was intimidating to some of the diners. Having spent the better part of my adult life in law enforcement, it was obvious to me that this guy was not an undercover cop and was just showing off.
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Everything you say about this person is simply your own opinion, assumptions you make about him. One person's "slovenly" way of dressing is another man's way of dressing casually, although I'm not a big fan of sleeveless tees, myself. I'm not sure how you ascertain someone is walking around "with a sense of bravado." But what's wrong with bravado, anyway? Some people call it "self-confidence". Least the guy apparently wasn't slinking around with a conspiratorial leer on his face.

Nor can I figure out how you know other diners were "intimidated". Were other diners cringing in fear, looking at the guy with bug-eyed horror? Were they leaving...running in fear for the exits? Exhibiting signs of distress and fear like sweating and trembling, muttering incoherently among themselves, pointing at the guy maybe?

Seriously, how did you rationally come to these conclusions?
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Nor can I figure out how you know other diners were "intimidated". Were other diners cringing in fear, looking at the guy with bug-eyed horror? Were they leaving...running in fear for the exits? Exhibiting signs of distress and fear like sweating and trembling, muttering incoherently among themselves, pointing at the guy maybe?
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What I've always found interesting are the types who profess to be "frightened" of people with guns, yet get in their faces, and scream or curse at them, and in general act like they were raised by wolves. Their behavior refutes their words...
 
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So my question is if you are law enforcement, why didn't you identify yourself as such and answer your own questions. Instead you involved management and put a civilian in potential harms way or in a confrontational situation at the very least Then when this didn't suffice you involve a marked unit. Any fellow officers see the problems here.
 
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Matchking Man said:
So my question is if you are law enforcement, why didn't you identify yourself as such and answer your own questions. Instead you involved management and put a civilian in potential harms way or in a confrontational situation at the very least Then when this didn't suffice you involve a marked unit. Any fellow officers see the problems here.
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I'm purty much surmising here....;):D


(Biography ; Originally from Miami. Retired and now living in Middle Tennessee.)
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But, Mr. Miles may have had a flash back from Miami Vice ;)

Or jest jerkin our chain(s) a lit'l bit....For the fun of it all. :D



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