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The problem with your screed (other than, in effect, calling me a "self-centered prick" and assuming that I have some sort of "big man" complex) is that you think people are so weak-minded that they will be terrified by a man legally carrying a handgun. You do your fellow citizens a disservice.

Since I have been open carrying, no one has run screaming from my presence nor has anyone called the police about a MWAG. In fact, most people don't even notice. I did have one woman confront me in front of the Walmart Neighborhood Market angrily demanding to know why I was carrying a gun, but she wasn't the least little bit scared. Of course, if she had any inkling that you were carrying concealed, she'd have been just as confrontational.

I find it strange that the "concealed carry only" crowd constantly attacks the motives, intelligence, manhood (womanhood), and decency of open carriers, while open carry advocates rarely attack concealed carry as the choice of criminals, assassins, thugs, and sneaky underhanded b@$+@^#$. Since by your name-calling and disdain for your fellow citizens you have proven yourself less than "decent," I have nothing more to say to you. Good day, sir.

I will admit that using the term "self -centered prick" was a bit harsh (though I was not calling you one), and I appologise.
As to disdain for fellow citizens, that (from me) is something that one must earn - as the OC er's in the Texas Target store(and other places) have. What I don't get is how some people can't distinguish the difference between comments made against oc of rifles in the metro area Target store, from OC of handguns in a rural (or more accomodating) environment! Basically saying I have to be either against it, or for it - no consideration of environment.
 
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Odds are that a picture taken from the front would have revealed his BADGE or security credentials. ;)

Love it when people try to apply law enforcment carry methods to non-leo applications!!! :rolleyes:


Bull Butter.......^^^^^^^^^

I open carry without displaying my badge.

My profession grants no special rights or privileges that I can tell.

My sidearm(s) is for my personal defense and while enforcing the statutes of the state....

Every law abiding citizen has the same unalienable rights regardless of profession.


Sorry, that ol LEO argument jest don't fly with me. ;)

(The guy in the picture is probably a spl deputy with no more police power that anyone else.)



That is all for today.

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Open carry is legal here but I only do when I'm hunting or out on my property as I don't need the added attention it might cause.
I've rarely seen anyone open carry here and the few occasions I have I did notice those around us didn't even seem to notice. That shows just how little pay attention to what goes on around them and maybe too they're so used to people with phones and other gadgets on their belts a gun is hardly noticed.

Well, so much for the added attention it might cause...

I'd like to see more open carry though as I believe the visual presence of guns helps to deter crime. I might open carry myself if it was more common at those times when it's a little more difficult to carry concealed.

If you'd like to see it more often, there is nothing from stopping you wherever it is legal. Who knows, you might inspire someone else who is thinking, "I might open carry myself if it was more common..."
 
Interesting.

As I understand it, open carry is NOT permitted in Texas. The stadium in the photo with the person in the cowboy hat openly carrying appears to be the Texas Tech Stadium. (I am not swearing that it is!)

So how can one be openly carrying absent LEO credentials?

Inquiring minds (at least mine does) want to know.

Be safe.

PS: I daresay one will not find ANY person in mufti displaying a firearm on the sidelines of ANY college stadium with a gun on their hip absent credentials clearly on display. And I doubt that is very rarely seen...if seen at all.

Bull Butter.......^^^^^^^^^

I open carry without displaying my badge.

My profession grants no special rights or privileges that I can tell.

My sidearm(s) is for my personal defense and while enforcing the statutes of the state....

Every law abiding citizen has the same unalienable rights regardless of profession.


Sorry, that ol LEO argument jest don't fly with me. ;)

(The guy in the picture is probably a spl deputy with no more police power that anyone else.)



That is all for today.

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As I understand it, open carry is NOT permitted in Texas. The stadium in the photo with the person in the cowboy hat openly carrying appears to be the Texas Tech Stadium. (I am not swearing that it is!)

So how can one be openly carrying absent LEO credentials?

Inquiring minds (at least mine does) want to know.

Be safe.

PS: I daresay one will not find ANY person in mufti displaying a firearm on the sidelines of ANY college stadium with a gun on their hip absent credentials clearly on display. And I doubt that is very rarely seen...if seen at all.

I was thinking the same thing. I don't know if that is Texas Tech or not but try open carrying here in Texas on any school grounds without being a LEO and see what happens! I call both "horse manure" AND "bull butter" (whatever that last one is).
 
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O.C. = Attention seeking trouble

This is the perfect time to OC. People will see that a gun can be out in public and no one gets hurt.

I would bet that a good share of the anti's have never been to a range.


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I think it is a bit naive to state the O.C. will validate that there can be O.C. without issues or trouble. That in your face mentality will only turn people off and hurt the cause of personal carry for those of us that CC legally. It is just a matter of time before we here about the first incident of a problem involving a O.C. wingnut.
 
As I understand it, open carry is NOT permitted in Texas.

That is correct. There are some occasions when open carry is legal in Texas but they are actually exceptions to the ban on open carry and are more useful as defenses to prosecution than permissions.

There is more fiction rampant in Texas about OC or any kind of carry than you might imagine but after the passage of the CHL law and then the passage of the extended castle doctrine classifying motor vehicles as extensions of one's premises (basically your home, for ease of understanding) the rules changed dramatically but in both cases CONCEALED CARRY is required.

The sections of the Texas Penal Code that apply to this discussion are as follows:
Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:

(1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or

(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control.

(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:

(1) the handgun is in plain view; or

(2) the person is:

(A) engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic or boating;

(B) prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or

(C) a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01.

(a-2) For purposes of this section, "premises" includes real property and a recreational vehicle that is being used as living quarters, regardless of whether that use is temporary or permanent. In this subsection, "recreational vehicle" means a motor vehicle primarily designed as temporary living quarters or a vehicle that contains temporary living quarters and is designed to be towed by a motor vehicle. The term includes a travel trailer, camping trailer, truck camper, motor home, and horse trailer with living quarters.

(a-3) For purposes of this section, "watercraft" means any boat, motorboat, vessel, or personal watercraft, other than a seaplane on water, used or capable of being used for transportation on water.

(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.

and

(b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:

(1) is in the actual discharge of official duties as a member of the armed forces or state military forces as defined by Section 437.001, Government Code, or as a guard employed by a penal institution;

(2) is traveling;

(3) is engaging in lawful hunting, fishing, or other sporting activity on the immediate premises where the activity is conducted, or is en route between the premises and the actor's residence, motor vehicle, or watercraft, if the weapon is a type commonly used in the activity;

I omitted the sections dealing with LEOs and security personnel.

The big issues are two:

1. What does the statute mean by "traveling"?

2. How does the law define the carrying of a handgun openly when lawfully hunting or fishing?

As a general rule, if you're carrying a handgun openly while you're hunting or fishing the game wardens and police will probably ignore it - even though it is NOT normally used in the activity. But they might not -it's a risk one takes. Arguing that you normally hunt with a 30.06 Remington and 2" .357 Magnum will likely fall on deaf ears if the LEO wants to arrest you. But if you're behaving it's unlikely that you're be harassed.

Traveling, however, is more difficult to deal with. The case law in Texas says that you're traveling if you're staying out at night, not just driving around, even across several counties (a famous Texas fiction). Why? because when the law was originally written if you literally traveled you almost ALWAYS stayed out at night - and I mean OUT, in a sleeping bag, under the stars, not at the local Holiday Inn. But the definition carried over from horse and buggy days to motor vehicles. (And NEVER forget that these laws were almost always passed with a racial undertone, whether it was freed black slaves in the South or Irish gangsters in new York City - but I digress.)

The problem is, now that the law permits you to carry a concealed weapon in your motor vehicle, using the traveling defense to carry openly is a VERY BIG MISTAKE. Until Texas passes OC for everyone, everywhere, carrying a handgun openly in your car, even if you're driving from Texarkana to El Paso, will probably get you arrested.

There you have it; a brief summary of the present state of the law in Texas in re open carry.

***GRJ***

PS:

Yes, yes, I'm a level III combined instructor, a CHL instructor, and a nasty old lawyer.....
 
As I understand it, open carry is NOT permitted in Texas. The stadium in the photo with the person in the cowboy hat openly carrying appears to be the Texas Tech Stadium. (I am not swearing that it is!)

So how can one be openly carrying absent LEO credentials?

Inquiring minds (at least mine does) want to know.

Be safe.

PS: I daresay one will not find ANY person in mufti displaying a firearm on the sidelines of ANY college stadium with a gun on their hip absent credentials clearly on display. And I doubt that is very rarely seen...if seen at all.



I was thinking the same thing. I don't know if that is Texas Tech or not but try open carrying here in Texas on any school grounds without being a LEO and see what happens! I call both "horse manure" AND "bull butter" (whatever that last one is).


i.e. the posted pic above....


Boys,

You all ever hear of special ranger commissions...

Political favors, special deputies and all such as that.

It happens all the time, with a extra good campaign donation.

Good ol boys, jest being good ol boys....

As the travel ads sez, "It's like a whole other country."

Texas is just stuck in the post civil-war reconstruction era of gun laws.

If ya gonna play in Texas...Ya gotta have a fiddle in the band!
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I hope we can get to he point where there are NO laws regarding firearms as if they are the problem.

I mean if someone is open carrying---I hope that will become OK as far as the law is concerned---this benefits us all. We may slowly be reaching this and I hope so---look how fast things went once some states began to issue CHL's.

But, I just do not feel that these fellas who are getting on the news are helping.
 
It is just a matter of time before we here about the first incident of a problem involving a O.C. wingnut.

I know, I know. "Blood in the streets." "Shootouts in supermarkets." "Gunfights over parking spaces." "Fenderbenders causing firefights."

Geez. Any other anti-gun memes you'd like to adopt?
 
There are probably about 30,000,000 gun owners in the US. Less than 4.5 million are in the NRA. Most gun owners are just hunters and target shooters, and of course people who want to protect themselves. They're not looking to get political.

If you live in an area where OC is the norm, then nobody cares. If you live in an area where OC is legal, but NOT the norm (as I do in PA. MAYBE 5 times over the last 8 years have I seen it), then displaying a firearm "just because I can" is NEVER going to get people onto the side of gun ownership. I'm not talking hiking or fishing. I'm talking walking into a restaurant. Go ahead and do it if you must. But it's turning people against the cause.

And the morons who walk through town with a rifle slung over their shoulders take it to a whole new level. And while I can kind of shrug off a dude walking into Baskin Robbins with a Glock on his hip as just being a bit overzealous, the idiots with the rifles are no friend of gun owners.
 
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Open carry is the pro-gun advocates' version of what Act Up tried to do for gay rights: "Yeah, that's right! I'm in your face! I've got rights! I'm not going away so get used to it."

Worked out pretty well for those people, dontcha think? Soon going nationwide.
 
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It is just a matter of time before we here about the first incident of a problem involving a O.C. wingnut.



I know, I know. "Blood in the streets." "Shootouts in supermarkets." "Gunfights over parking spaces." "Fenderbenders causing firefights."


Geez. Any other anti-gun memes you'd like to adopt?


Smith,

You and I know, that there has always been some that want to measure everyone eles' oats for em.

But, very few actually know their oats....So, what we have

here is the age old adage of some, 'Do as I Do' or that of being ostracized

and suffering the scorn of a suspected wing-nut.

And all this is for naught,
Every man ought to be able to cover the ground he stands on, in the manner that he sees fit.

Tolerance toward one another is preached on every turn,
But few have heard the word, that all men are created equal.


Su Amigo,
Dave
 
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Given my career only involved work and interaction with law enforcement PROFESSIONALS, I am unfamilar with organizations that bestow gun toting authority upon those without training whilst allowing those people to 'OPEN CARRY' a gun in a state and at a venue where it is otherwise prohibited.

That said, I look forward to OC'ing on the sidelines at the University of Texas on September 2, 2017, when the Longhorns host my University of Maryland Terrapins. Why not...no creds or ID are apparently needed. :rolleyes:

Upon second thought, NO, I WON'T. It's a rather stupid idea that it is somehow allowed. :eek:

Be safe.

i.e. the posted pic above....


Boys,

You all ever hear of special ranger commissions...

Political favors, special deputies and all such as that.

It happens all the time, with a extra good campaign donation.

Good ol boys, jest being good ol boys....

As the travel ads sez, "It's like a whole other country."

Texas is just stuck in the post civil-war reconstruction era of gun laws.

If ya gonna play in Texas...Ya gotta have a fiddle in the band!
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Open carry is unnecessarily provocative and serves no good purpose.
Carry concealed. Nobody feels threatened, people aren't freaked out by something they can't see. My personal feeling is that too many of those who advocate open carry have some kind of ego deficiency for which they're over compensating.
 
Given my career only involved work and interaction with law enforcement PROFESSIONALS, I am unfamilar with organizations that bestow gun toting authority upon those without training whilst allowing those people to 'OPEN CARRY' a gun in a state and at a venue where it is otherwise prohibited.

That said, I look forward to OC'ing on the sidelines at the University of Texas on September 2, 2017, when the Longhorns host my University of Maryland Terrapins. Why not...no creds or ID are apparently needed. :rolleyes:

Upon second thought, NO, I WON'T. It's a rather stupid idea that it is somehow allowed. :eek:

Be safe.


Ah hell, go ahead and give it a go.....;)

Although, ya might want some kinda Texas badge in yur pocket, jest in case. ;):D




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I'm jest a lowly state detective..............A flatfoot'd felony rat catcher
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If I can't see the gun that the guy is carrying it can't hurt me, right? :rolleyes:

Irrational logic and fear is the foundation for arguing against OC. It's a poor argument to curtail 2A rights or to blame those who OC for a psychological malady of others.
 
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