Me three.
My good wife knows to let me pick my spot then she sits.
Yup, same here. She packs too, and is probably the better shot, but I'm faster.
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Yup, same here. She packs too, and is probably the better shot, but I'm faster.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
Maybe I need to get out more. I have stayed pretty silent on this subject maybe too long. I keep reading about people OC, yet I can almost count on my fingers the people that I have seen OC that I didnt suspect were PC LEOs. Where do you guys live and carry? I live in utah. I do have a ccw. I ride ATVs in the boonies a lot, and carry as my heart desires out there. I am talking about packing OC in town, not in the boonies. I just see it next to never, and I do get around!
Just by going what you guys write I would expect to see maybe at least one guy in 50 packing, yet I doubt I really see 1 in 100,000 at the most! By the way I live where it IS legal.
Just by going what you guys write I would expect to see maybe at least one guy in 50 packing, yet I doubt I really see 1 in 100,000 at the most! By the way I live where it IS legal.
USAF385
US Veteran
There are actually a few cases in PA of this. In one instance an OCer was outside a bank and someone thought they'd be a hero and disarm the "madman with a gun". He grabbed for the gun which luckily the OCer held onto. Unfortunately for the hero the OCer had to give him a bit of a pounding to keep control of his firearm.
Another event recently.. an OCer went into a bar where another man saw the gun. He ran across the bar and grabbed the gun. He told police the OCer was waiving the gun around so he jumped to point it away from other people. The OCer says the man just went after his gun.
Some of these sort of occurrences can be found on the PAFOA.org forum.
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A lot of people do OC in Louisiana. While there are other reasons for it, most centers around convenience and the law. Right now to get a CCW in Louisiana takes about $250 and 4 months wait. You also have to furnish papers for any divorce, even if you have now been married for 100 yrs. Along with that, you have to furnish court papers for ANY arrest, even traffic that will show the disposition of the case. If you change your address, you have to notify the LASP within a few days (10 I think) or your license is suspended. Additionally the State Police is still anti gun but improving. Their attitude comes from many years of Democratic leadership and officers that were not well trained as they are now.
Open carry in the state is legal and easier for many men. Slip a set of cuffs onto the belt and people never give it a second thought but most do not pay any attention to an armed individual around here. I pay them attention but for different reasons.
ChadW
US Veteran
Unfortunatly there are people out there who see a gun being OCed and feel they need to play hero and disarm the OCer. These people are few and far between of course, but they do exist.
senecaap
Member
OC is ok if everyone carried and in the open. The reality is today you are pinning a target on yourself. Assume you are in a situation where some kind of violent crime is occurring, and the aggressor saw your gun, you just put yourself second on their list of people to shoot, right after LEOs. Try for surprise.
sipowicz
Member
Me three.
My good wife knows to let me pick my spot then she sits.
My wife does not sit when we go out to eat..she is the sentry.
It does not matter what you carry but how well you can use what you carry.
I do both, but I'm swinging more toward open carry, at least this time of year. It really depends on how lazy I am.
Open carry is legal in Virginia. Not just "not ilegal" but legal. I have never had anyone say anything negative to me about it. No soccer moms. No cops. Nobody.
I have had a few people ask me questions like "Is that a Colt?" "What kind of gun is that?" "Can I do that too?" "Do you need a permit to carry like that?" Maybe a half dozen questions in the last several years. For the most part, either nobody notices at all, or if they do, they sure don't show it.
Open carry is legal in Virginia. Not just "not ilegal" but legal. I have never had anyone say anything negative to me about it. No soccer moms. No cops. Nobody.
I have had a few people ask me questions like "Is that a Colt?" "What kind of gun is that?" "Can I do that too?" "Do you need a permit to carry like that?" Maybe a half dozen questions in the last several years. For the most part, either nobody notices at all, or if they do, they sure don't show it.
jtpur
Member
open closed carry
I really did not think I would have to clarify my remarks. But this is in response to a comment to my comment in which it is pointed out that I am being in consistent and that bad guys wont take out someone they see with a gun.
1. Look at the four Police Officers in Washington State. All together, all in uniform and all armed and all killed? All targeted too.There are tons of anecdotal stories similar....I wont go into all of them. I know of incidents very similar I was involved with
2. I mentioned that I at one time had on two guns in plain sight when going into a very high crime area. This is true and I wanted everyone to see that I was armed and let me explain why....
(As any student of self defense knows, there are levels of awareness. Green...everything is good, our awareness is at low level. For instance at Church...we feel safe....we don't generally expect trouble...we may be armed if that Church permits it...but we may not notice the four gang bangers who walk in and start blasting away such as what happened in a church recently. YELLOW....we are at a heightened state of awareness.....We may sense the guy walking across the dark parking lot as a threat...we are on guard.......but as he gets closer we notice he is smiling, greets us warmly and we can tell he poses no threat, our level drops back to green as he enters his car and drives off. RED....we are ready for battle.....we feel, see and sense the danger.....we walk into a bank and see the armed man jump over the counter, screaming obscenities.....we just went from Yellow to RED and we will defend ourselves......This is a simplified version of the threat levels but I hope it makes its point.
When my partner and I went to this neighborhood, we were on RED alert...we knew this was as bad as bad gets....we would not even think of going solo, and if we could, we would have taken the whole squad but sometimes that is not possible....so yes, we were hyper aware of our surroundings. we had each others back...we drove around the area a few times scoping out our potential threats. One of us watched the other enter and our hands were near our weapons.....yes they could see we were armed and yes we used it as to warn those who saw us we meant business...compare that to parking your car, walking into your local Starbucks, ordering your whatever chino....sitting down and enjoying the cup, perhaps chatting with the person sitting next to you......Trust me there is no comparison........I did not say concealed is always better just that I generally prefer it to open and I do not think my own actions prove open is better and I never thought I was going to have to clarify and debate my point of view.......and for that matter justify my opinion.....
I really did not think I would have to clarify my remarks. But this is in response to a comment to my comment in which it is pointed out that I am being in consistent and that bad guys wont take out someone they see with a gun.
1. Look at the four Police Officers in Washington State. All together, all in uniform and all armed and all killed? All targeted too.There are tons of anecdotal stories similar....I wont go into all of them. I know of incidents very similar I was involved with
2. I mentioned that I at one time had on two guns in plain sight when going into a very high crime area. This is true and I wanted everyone to see that I was armed and let me explain why....
(As any student of self defense knows, there are levels of awareness. Green...everything is good, our awareness is at low level. For instance at Church...we feel safe....we don't generally expect trouble...we may be armed if that Church permits it...but we may not notice the four gang bangers who walk in and start blasting away such as what happened in a church recently. YELLOW....we are at a heightened state of awareness.....We may sense the guy walking across the dark parking lot as a threat...we are on guard.......but as he gets closer we notice he is smiling, greets us warmly and we can tell he poses no threat, our level drops back to green as he enters his car and drives off. RED....we are ready for battle.....we feel, see and sense the danger.....we walk into a bank and see the armed man jump over the counter, screaming obscenities.....we just went from Yellow to RED and we will defend ourselves......This is a simplified version of the threat levels but I hope it makes its point.
When my partner and I went to this neighborhood, we were on RED alert...we knew this was as bad as bad gets....we would not even think of going solo, and if we could, we would have taken the whole squad but sometimes that is not possible....so yes, we were hyper aware of our surroundings. we had each others back...we drove around the area a few times scoping out our potential threats. One of us watched the other enter and our hands were near our weapons.....yes they could see we were armed and yes we used it as to warn those who saw us we meant business...compare that to parking your car, walking into your local Starbucks, ordering your whatever chino....sitting down and enjoying the cup, perhaps chatting with the person sitting next to you......Trust me there is no comparison........I did not say concealed is always better just that I generally prefer it to open and I do not think my own actions prove open is better and I never thought I was going to have to clarify and debate my point of view.......and for that matter justify my opinion.....
Here in Ohio open carry is legal without a permit as long as you are not in a motor vehicle. We had a couple major court cases to convince the LEOs in some jurisdictions that open carry was NOT inducing panic. Occasionally we still have to have an open carry walk in some downs to reinforce that idea.
Having said that I have a ccw permit and 99% of the time I carry concealed. However if I'm walking the dog, fishing, or participating an some other outdoor activity then I open carry about half the time. Besides allowing you to CC one advantage of having the permit here in Ohio is that it also allows you to OC in a vehicle.
For several years I managed service stations in Columbus and chose to open carry a 1911. I was going for visual deterrent and it worked. I actually had one incident where a couple guys walked in, looked at me, looked at the pistol, looked at each other and walked across the street and robbed the service station located there instead.
Having said that I have a ccw permit and 99% of the time I carry concealed. However if I'm walking the dog, fishing, or participating an some other outdoor activity then I open carry about half the time. Besides allowing you to CC one advantage of having the permit here in Ohio is that it also allows you to OC in a vehicle.
For several years I managed service stations in Columbus and chose to open carry a 1911. I was going for visual deterrent and it worked. I actually had one incident where a couple guys walked in, looked at me, looked at the pistol, looked at each other and walked across the street and robbed the service station located there instead.
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