Here in Florida we don't have a choice. It's conceal carry only for private citizens just as some states only allow open carry and like I stated earlier I personally prefer to carry concealed as I agree it can give you a tactical edge however if everyone in the room is carrying concealed they all have the same edge and there's no advantage. I guess I was refering to more of an on duty LE outlook. If I was a cop approaching a rowdy crowd I would much prefer to know who had the potential to draw on me as the first point of awareness is recognition. At least that's what I think.
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John Deere
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In The Volunteer State we can go either CC or OC, but I definitely prefer CC and that's the way I go. I like to surprise folks if the necessity arises.
JD
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This statement is not true.
The states only make laws about what methods are legal and what licenses (if any) are required.
The entire argument that"I don't like to carry a certain way so it should be illegal" sounds like the Brady Bunch.
Same BS we heard when concealed carry was being passed.
I think everyone else understood the statement to mean different states require different carry methods which by the way is true. Not sure where you're going with that Brady Bunch stuff but I never made that arguement.
No, you didn't say that in so many words. Where I'm going with that is I'm disagreeing with the people who say things like "I'm happy my state forbids open carry."
Having grown up in a Gold Star Open Carry state (KY), I'm tired of being lectured on why open carry is so dangerous and should not be done, and "probably good that it is prohibited."
I've probably carried openly more than anyone besides LEO.
The law should not prohibit any type of carry that is safe.
If you don't want to, or don't know how to do it safely, then don't! It becomes a personal choice, not "big brother."
No one on this thread has said anything against open carry. We all have our personal preferences as to how we like to carry but some states don't give us a choice. If you live in a state that gives you a choice I don't think anyone here is lecturing you over your choice. Personally I could carry either way. My state only allows concealed. I like carrying concealed but open carry wouldn't bother me at all.
Not sure what state you live in, so it may be true where you live.
However, be aware that many states have "state preemption" laws which allow local government very limited say in gun laws. WA state just had a round with Seattle on the preemption issue, and Seattle lost.
In KY, open carry is protected by the State Constitution, and neither the state legislature nor local governments can ban it.
straightshooter1
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I said I was happy with Florida's view. We have a few exceptions that allow for open carry, but not many.
While one may say, as OKFCO5, did that the "law should not prohibit any type of carry that is safe," in fact the law does just that. A very few states still say (or nearly say) no carry, many say concealed only, some say concealed or open.
Want to change it? Then you have to convince legislators that it is the right thing to do or change the legislators. Or, move to a state that has laws that fit within your view of how it should be.
Florida is pretty gun-friendly. I'm satisfied with its laws.
Bob
While one may say, as OKFCO5, did that the "law should not prohibit any type of carry that is safe," in fact the law does just that. A very few states still say (or nearly say) no carry, many say concealed only, some say concealed or open.
Want to change it? Then you have to convince legislators that it is the right thing to do or change the legislators. Or, move to a state that has laws that fit within your view of how it should be.
Florida is pretty gun-friendly. I'm satisfied with its laws.
Bob
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Is how long it would take me to exit a situation where people are wearing guns and arguing.
The only places I have ever carried open were in my store when AC was out, and in AZ before they extended their concealed carry law to non residents.
Is how long it would take me to exit a situation where people are wearing guns and arguing.
The only places I have ever carried open were in my store when AC was out, and in AZ before they extended their concealed carry law to non residents.
flop-shank
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Yes, that, or get those state's unconstitutional laws overturned in court.
jtpur
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I generally favor concealed carry....I dont want the bad guys knowing I am armed because i'd be the first they would take out.....but when I was a State Cop in Florida we had to go to a really nasty area of Miami.....we were supposed to keep our weapons concealed....screw that....I had to go into a Nasty bar and I had both my guns, and badge plainly visible. since I was in plain clothes, I did not want any of the neighborhood thugs mistaking me for some Insurance guy making his collections.....I was armed to the teeth and wanted every one to know it.....and so was my partner.....he had on both his guns too...
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Yes, that's why police officers have to buy a new handgun every week.
Tell me, how many documented cases of OC snatch and grab can you actually show me?
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That's another straw argument with no document evidence to support it, and your own post shows the reverse is what actually happens.
The bad guys may be dumb, but they generally have a strong sense of self-preservation. The people they rob are usually either unarmed, or have no visible weapon.
Look at the number of security guards shot in robberies. The criminal elecment does have a strong sense of self preservation and they take out the armed person first. Happens often during bank robberies and the officers responding to an In Progress call are often fired upon. The casual customer entering a place being robbed is seldom shot. An openly armed person is taken out since the pose a threat. It is fairly obvious you never served in the military or been on a police department. We were trained to take out those that could pose the most danger first. That also includes multiple assailants. My training in 1972 was with three people. One with a knife, one with a shotgun and one with a handgun. The ones we were trained to take out were the ones that posed the most threat. Correctly done, it was shotgun, handgun and then knife. The training is all part of what has been learned in real life situations.
Sir, Police Officers are often killed with their own weapons because someone snatched it. Part of the reason for an officers holster to have retention built in to it. There are hundreds of such cases.
You want documented? I worked a case many, many years ago, back in the .357 days where an experienced officer was in a 7-11 in Shreveport, LA. A man named Petteway slipped in behind the officer as the officer was getting a cup of coffee. Mr Petteway grabbed the officers gun and shot him. As the officer fell to the floor, Mr Petteway fired four more shots into the officer and then put the gun down while he waited for other officers to arrive. There was no pre meditation or intent. This was an act done by a college graduate without a criminal history that felt threatened by being in such close proximity to a firearm carried by a large man. Mr Petteway was sentenced to 50 yrs at Angola Prison without benefit of parole or probation. I interviewed him several times after the shooting. He was remorseful but said he would have taken any gun he saw from anyone, officer or not.
Officers are more careful walking into places, on duty or not, due to them being armed and the potential for a robbery going on as they enter. Unaware, they are instant targets. Happens to officers all the time. I never wear a uniform but always armed. Sometimes it is open carry. But when I enter a building I look through any glass for unusual activity. I enter where someone inside cannot see I am armed. When eating in a restaurant, I get seats where my back is to a wall and I can see the cash register, door or both. And I had my gun snatched once but I got it back before something bad happened to my fat body.
Just google officer's gun grabbed. You will get about 2 million hits. One of those hits will be about an officer that had his gun grabbed in an AL police station as a prisoner was being booked. The aftermath makes great reading about what happens after a gun grab.
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flop-shank
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How about a little common sense instead? It's a little hard for someone to do a gun snatch on a weapon that they don't even know is there because it can't be seen.
I'm not against OC. It has plusses and minuses, but you're not likely to convince me that a concealed gun is more likely to be snatched. Do as you please, but OC ain't for me.
I'll keep mine concealed thank you.
When eating in a restaurant, I get seats where my back is to a wall and I can see the cash register, door or both.
Oldman45, You too? That use to be called "Hickok Syndrome"
When eating in a restaurant, I get seats where my back is to a wall and I can see the cash register, door or both.
Oldman45, You too? That use to be called "Hickok Syndrome"
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flop-shank
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Me three.
My good wife knows to let me pick my spot then she sits.
My good wife knows to let me pick my spot then she sits.
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