Moonman
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Prof_Fate,
Not sure if a charge dropped can be very unnerving.
Have you ever considered a RCBS Lock-Out die?
Not sure if a charge dropped can be very unnerving.
Have you ever considered a RCBS Lock-Out die?
OPERATED A DILLON 650 TODAY
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Dillion makes a powder/charge detector that goes on the machine, if you think this is going to be an issue in the future. Dillion CS is great, as are their re-loaders. You'll get it worked out.
I always wondered why dillon sold a powder check die...now i know. LOL
It shouldn't be an issue in the future - unless missing powder IS an issue on a 650...but big blue won't let anyone talk about it?
I shoot PPC and had a squib once and the bullet stopped in the cylinder of the 686 - a PITA but not a big deal as it would be in a chamber. I hope if I do have a squib this is what happens. I guess I could test it...with one of those primed cases I have laying around.
It shouldn't be an issue in the future - unless missing powder IS an issue on a 650...but big blue won't let anyone talk about it?
I shoot PPC and had a squib once and the bullet stopped in the cylinder of the 686 - a PITA but not a big deal as it would be in a chamber. I hope if I do have a squib this is what happens. I guess I could test it...with one of those primed cases I have laying around.
Moonman
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Loosing attention for just a second or moment can be BAD.
A RCBS Lock-Out die or Dillon Powder Check die is GOOD INSURANCE.
A RCBS Lock-Out die or Dillon Powder Check die is GOOD INSURANCE.
OK...called dillon..phone answered and got hung up on. That was their customer service number.]
their main number doesn't even answer - not even a recording, NOTHING.
GGGRREEEAAATTTT .... mistake or *******s? We'll see if they every decide to actually ANSWER THE PHONE.
Mayby they're great - but first impressions? THEY ARE NO BETTER THAN ****.
their main number doesn't even answer - not even a recording, NOTHING.
GGGRREEEAAATTTT .... mistake or *******s? We'll see if they every decide to actually ANSWER THE PHONE.
Mayby they're great - but first impressions? THEY ARE NO BETTER THAN ****.
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Moonman
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Dillon has been getting caught up, or getting through to them would have been even worse.
Frank237
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To the progressive press naysayers....
Progressive presses that require a bit of mechanical knowledge as well as enough brains to maintain your attention on the task at hand...Apparently not for everyone.
If your incapable of keeping your attention on what you and the press are doing ,You are probably better served by a single stage press...or maybe simply buying factory ammo.
The sentiment regarding progressive presses reminds me a bit of reading the history of Electricity. Many thought it was voodoo, magic or a tool of the devil. Same thing here with a few of you regarding progressives.
FN in MT
Progressive presses that require a bit of mechanical knowledge as well as enough brains to maintain your attention on the task at hand...Apparently not for everyone.
If your incapable of keeping your attention on what you and the press are doing ,You are probably better served by a single stage press...or maybe simply buying factory ammo.
The sentiment regarding progressive presses reminds me a bit of reading the history of Electricity. Many thought it was voodoo, magic or a tool of the devil. Same thing here with a few of you regarding progressives.
FN in MT
I have a few 1050s(5) and a couple of 650s and of course a couple of 550s. Not to say it can't happen but I have never blown a primer...or a stack of them either. Prof fate..Dillon will get you straight. They have been just a bit busy in the last few months. I of course like the 1050s the best but the 650 is an ok machine. The 550s are relegated to many of my larger caliber rifle rounds. I do load 223 on a Super 1050 and find it pretty fast and actually enjoyable. I never push the speed thing. Not necessary to be honest. If you aren't happy with 6-700 rounds per hour..you gotta be shooting a machine gun. Which I must admit IS a lot of fun. I don't shoot competetively but after all these years of reloading I hate doing that dirty chore. Considering the cost of the machines and the return in saved time.. I will have to say the Dillon machines are for the most part great. Most of the problems are usually operator error. I have loaded quite a few rounds in my life..more than 2 million so far. But over half of them were shotshells on Mec 600s P-W 800s and Spolars. Progressive machines are usually pretty good..but they do take a bit of maintenance and care. I had a Lee Loadmaster once.. And I know that I will be stepping on many toes. But..it is one of the worst pieces of **** ever made. Almost on a par with a Mec 650.
Listen, I can tell you are frustrated. Read my post above, answer the questions and possibly post some photos. I am fairly certain we can get you squared away pretty quickly and we provide tech support more or less 24x7
Chris
Bkreutz
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One thing I discovered when I first started using my 650 may be useful in your situation. I was having a similar experience where the new case wasn't being fed all the way into the shell plate and of course it would hit off to the side of the sizing die. I wasn't going fast enough to crush the case but I could see where that could happen. What was happening was the old primers were sticking to the depriming pin and being drawn back into the case (contrary to the spring loaded pin concept
) when it went to the priming stage, I couldn't put a new primer into the already occupied pocket so the handle wouldn't push far enough toward the rear of the machine to load the empty case all the way into the shell holder. Dillon suggested cleaning the pin which worked for 50 or so cases and then it would happen again. I got into a cleaning regimen until I decided that I didn't like that. I took the deprime pin out and polished it, then lubed it with some Hornady One Shot case lube and I haven't had the problem since, and that's been a number of thousand rounds ago (I load around 1200 per week). I do listen for the old primer to drop into the bucket and every once in a while I don't hear the "click" and I slightly move the handle back and forth at the top of the stroke and then I hear it drop, it's become a part of my reloading stroke. If you "short stroke", or only go partway on the handle cycle then it will cause mis loaded rounds so you need to get into the habit of making a full cycle. I've had zero problems after the first week or so until I got used to the machine. Hope this is helpful.
DOn't know about the others but I've got 5k+ rounds on a lee loadmaster- a progressive press.
I know what I"m doing. What apparently the issue is dillon isn't as great as the fanboys claim - and they're VERY upset that i"m mentioning it.
Sorry, but a new press should feed cases 99+% of the time - not 80%.
I know what I"m doing. What apparently the issue is dillon isn't as great as the fanboys claim - and they're VERY upset that i"m mentioning it.
Sorry, but a new press should feed cases 99+% of the time - not 80%.
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Does this mean you bought your Dillon used?
Nope. New in the box. He's also a dillon USER - reloads ammo, casts bullets, stocks dillon bits and presses and powder and such.
Nice to have a nearby source that is never ever out of stock of powder, primers and bullets! and pay mailorder prices!
Tempted. 45 minutes on hold to talk to dillon person who wasn't much help...they're sending a station 1 locator to replace the banged up one so we'll see if that helps the case loading issue. Otherwise everything checked out (as in right parts installed properly) and he has no suggestions on what the issue is other than 'finding the dillon rhythym'.
71firebird400
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Hmm, as a Hornady LNL AP owner, I obviously preferred it over the Dillon. However I have used many friends Dillon 650's and none of them have had anywhere near the issues you are experiencing. Stay with it, don't let your temper get the best of you, and sort out the issues. I'd crank one case through it at a time and see where the issues arise. It sounds like you're trying to hit the ground running which will only magnify the issue and cause more frustration. Might want to check YouTube for video's of properly running 650's and try to spot the differences. Additionally, see if you can convince the guy you bought it from to come take a look- he might spot something right away that flew under your radar.
I recently bought my first Dillon press, a Square Deal B. With reservations, I got the instructional DVD with it thinking it was probably a waste of money. Turned out it was extremely valuable, as it walks you visually step by step through the setup and has info and explanations that are not in the manual. If the 650 version is anything like the SDB version, I highly recommend it, and may help with some of the issues you encountered.
Moonman
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There are YouTube videos that do a good job of explaining many things.
Many people just REFUSE TO READ THE MANUAL and go on their merry way.
Then they spend way too much time complaining about what a piece of junk something is or mis-engineered by their thoughts.
Many people just REFUSE TO READ THE MANUAL and go on their merry way.
Then they spend way too much time complaining about what a piece of junk something is or mis-engineered by their thoughts.
