Original New Model #3: Chart of shipping dates

[mikepriwer]

As far as is publicly known, there is no information about when the serial-numbering machine
was run. There is not even any information about the size of the lots they ran, for serial
numbering. I made some inferences from the registered magnum data, and Roy published it
in a recent S&WCA journal.

What is even more curious is that there is no information - at least not known - as to when
a gun was completed and placed in the vault. Some would call this the manufacturing date.
Its plausible that the only information recorded was a description of the gun as it was
placed in the vault. There were documents known as work orders, and these followed the gun
around the factory, somehow or other. These seem to have disappeared after the gun was
completed.

Of course, as Roy has noted many times, they were not interested in future collectors. They
were just in the gun business.

Later, Mike Priwer

 

[Win38-55]

That's unfortunate. That raises a question. I just spoke to our government about the antique status of the Model 3 DA (they refer to it as the DA First Model. According to their records, the DA First Model was sold between 1881 and 1913, but they also state that all frames were made prior to 1898, therefore in Canada, all First Model DA's in 44 Russian are officially antique and not considered a firearm. They also declare that all the Third Models,including the New Model #3, had their frames made prior to 1898 regradless of when they were shipped. Where do they get that info?

 

[mikepriwer]

Yours is not to question why -yours is just to walk away with a smile on your face.
Or, don't kick a sleeping dog.

From your past comments, are you involved in cell biology ?

Later, Mike Priwer

 

[Guest]

but they also state that all frames were made prior to 1898, therefore in Canada, all First Model DA's in 44 Russian are officially antique and not considered a firearm.

You must remember it is Canada and so there is no need for any explanation beyond the fact that it is being done by Canadians! Everyone one is entitled to their own Opinions but Canadians "believe" that they are "Entitled" to their own Facts, as well!!!

 

[Win38-55]

Mike, I'm involved in computational biophysics, specializing in developing a method to detect and measure functional information encoded in DNA and proteins. The objective is to see if we can decipher the info into something meaningful. Currently, I'm focusing on how the information can be translated such that we can predict the 3-D structure of proteins. To keep myself sane, I collect and shoot old Winchesters, with antique S&W's becoming a strong interest as well (but I'm trying to resist buying any more (except for maybe a Schofied) ... my budget takes a severe enough thrashing on a regular basis just getting old Winchesters).

 

[mikepriwer]

Kirk

One of my brother-in-laws was Bernie Gilula, long-time editor of the Cell Biology Journal,
founder and dean of the graduate school at Scripps in La Jolla, and chairman of the Cell
Biology department there. He and his wife, another researcher, and their graduate students
were/are involved in similar studies, although from the cell biology perspective.

Regards, Mike Priwer

 

[Win38-55]

Mike, that is a very prestigious position your brother-in-law had. I'm familiar with the journal ... a very good one.

 

[lawlor2]

Really interesting stuff. I'll add one to the list. No. 3 with serial number 34040, 44R, target sights, 6 1/2 blue barrel. Shipped May 24, 1904 to William Read & Sons Boston. This serial number is on the bottom of an original box I have and I lettered the box just to see what I could learn.

 

[Win38-55]

Thanks, Lawlor2. Here's the latest version:
New Model #3
Serial #...Shipped............ Caliber & Type
2773 ...... Sept. 1, 1879
6561 ...... Aug. 9, 1881 .... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5" bbl, smooth wood grips
6740 ...... March 7, 1882
6763 ...... March 15, 1882
8823 ...... March 9, 1880 ... 44 Russian, 6" barrel, nickel
18099...... Nov. 11, 1883
24672...... Aug. 11, 1904 ... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5"bbl, checkered wood grips, Japan
28501...... August 12, 1896

29035...... Sept. 4, 1893 ... 45 Schofield, blued 6.5" bbl, hard rubber grips, target sights, England

31779...... Aug. 7, 1899
34040...... May 24, 1904 .....44 Russian, 6.5" bbl, target sights, blue
35102...... Dec. 28, 1915 ... 44 Russian, 5"Bbl, TgtSites, Non-rebounding Hmr, Nickel.
35602.......Ltr pending ...... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5" bbl. target sights, cut for shoulder stock

New Model #3 Target
2001 ...... Mar. 30, 1893
2100 ...... Ltr Pending ..... 38-44
3384 ...... May 11, 1899

New Model #3 Frontier 44/40
52 .......... May 13, 1891
981 ........ Dec 11, 1893 .... 5"bbl, blued, hard rubber grips[/QUOTE]

 

[Buffalo Nichols]

Serial number correction

Originally posted by Win38-55:
Thanks, Lawlor2. Here's the latest version:
New Model #3
Serial #...Shipped............ Caliber & Type
2773 ...... Sept. 1, 1879
6561 ...... Aug. 9, 1881 .... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5" bbl, smooth wood grips
6740 ...... March 7, 1882
6763 ...... March 15, 1882
8823 ...... March 9, 1880 ... 44 Russian, 6" barrel, nickel
18099...... Nov. 11, 1883
24672...... Aug. 11, 1904 ... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5"bbl, checkered wood grips, Japan
28501...... August 12, 1896

28035...... Sept. 4, 1893 ... 45 Schofield, blued 6.5" bbl, hard rubber grips, target sights, England

31779...... Aug. 7, 1899
34040...... May 24, 1904 .....44 Russian, 6.5" bbl, target sights, blue
35102...... Dec. 28, 1915 ... 44 Russian, 5"Bbl, TgtSites, Non-rebounding Hmr, Nickel.
35602.......Ltr pending ...... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5" bbl. target sights, cut for shoulder stock

New Model #3 Target
2001 ...... Mar. 30, 1893
2100 ...... Ltr Pending ..... 38-44
3384 ...... May 11, 1899

New Model #3 Frontier 44/40
52 .......... May 13, 1891
981 ........ Dec 11, 1893 .... 5"bbl, blued, hard rubber grips

[/QUOTE]

 

[reldor]

2962.....March 29, 1875 .. .44Russian 6.5"barrel, blue , smooth walnut grips.
Deliverd to Russian Gov., St.Petersburg.


R. (Norway)

 

[Win38-55]

Wow, that's an early shipping date you got there, and to Russia, no less!

Here's the updated chart:
New Model #3
Serial #...Shipped............ Caliber & Type
2773 ...... Sept. 1, 1879
2962 ...... Mar. 29, 1875 ... 44 Russian, blued, smooth walnut grips, Russian Gov't, St. Petersbug
6561 ...... Aug. 9, 1881 .... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5" bbl, smooth wood grips
6740 ...... March 7, 1882
6763 ...... March 15, 1882
8823 ...... March 9, 1880 ... 44 Russian, 6" barrel, nickel
18099...... Nov. 11, 1883
24672...... Aug. 11, 1904 ... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5"bbl, checkered wood grips, Japan
28501...... August 12, 1896

28035...... Sept. 4, 1893 ... 45 Schofield, blued 6.5" bbl, hard rubber grips, target sights, England

31779...... Aug. 7, 1899
34040...... May 24, 1904 .....44 Russian, 6.5" bbl, target sights, blue
35102...... Dec. 28, 1915 ... 44 Russian, 5"Bbl, TgtSites, Non-rebounding Hmr, Nickel.
35602.......Ltr pending ...... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5" bbl. target sights, cut for shoulder stock

New Model #3 Target
2001 ...... Mar. 30, 1893
2100 ...... Ltr Pending ..... 38-44
3384 ...... May 11, 1899

New Model #3 Frontier 44/40
52 .......... May 13, 1891
981 ........ Dec 11, 1893 .... 5"bbl, blued, hard rubber grips

 

[Buffalo Nichols]

With all due respect to Reldor, I believe what he has is a Third Model Russian as the ship date is three years prior to NM#3 production.
The 3rd Model Russian was made from 1874 - 1879.
How is the barrel marked? Is the front sight forged to the barrel instead of pinned? Does it have a large thumb screw in the top strap to release the cylinder fro the barrel assembly? These are all indicators.

 

[reldor]

Yes this is correct , my mistake sorry....
R.

Originally posted by Buffalo Nichols:
With all due respect to Reldor, I believe what he has is a Third Model Russian as the ship date is three years prior to NM#3 production.
The 3rd Model Russian was made from 1874 - 1879.
How is the barrel marked? Is the front sight forged to the barrel instead of pinned? Does it have a large thumb screw in the top strap to release the cylinder fro the barrel assembly? These are all indicators.

 

[Buffalo Nichols]

No apology required, maybe we just need to start another thread for the Russian models. Good Russian models are getting harder to find.

 

[Win38-55]

That's right. I was reading an article on the NM#3 this morning and noticed a problem with the 1875 ship date, but forgot to get back to the forum. Thanks for pointing that out and I've got a corrected version of the chart below.

Here's the updated chart:
New Model #3
Serial #...Shipped............ Caliber & Type
2773 ...... Sept. 1, 1879
6561 ...... Aug. 9, 1881 .... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5" bbl, smooth wood grips
6740 ...... March 7, 1882
6763 ...... March 15, 1882
8823 ...... March 9, 1880 ... 44 Russian, 6" barrel, nickel
18099...... Nov. 11, 1883
24672...... Aug. 11, 1904 ... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5"bbl, checkered wood grips, Japan
28501...... August 12, 1896

28035...... Sept. 4, 1893 ... 45 Schofield, blued 6.5" bbl, hard rubber grips, target sights, England

31779...... Aug. 7, 1899
34040...... May 24, 1904 .....44 Russian, 6.5" bbl, target sights, blue
35102...... Dec. 28, 1915 ... 44 Russian, 5"Bbl, TgtSites, Non-rebounding Hmr, Nickel.
35602.......Ltr pending ...... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5" bbl. target sights, cut for shoulder stock

New Model #3 Target
2001 ...... Mar. 30, 1893
2100 ...... Ltr Pending ..... 38-44
3384 ...... May 11, 1899

New Model #3 Frontier 44/40
52 .......... May 13, 1891
981 ........ Dec 11, 1893 .... 5"bbl, blued, hard rubber grips

 

[Buffalo Nichols]

Originally posted by Win38-55:
That's right. I was reading an article on the NM#3 this morning and noticed a problem with the 1875 ship date, but forgot to get back to the forum. Thanks for pointing that out and I've got a corrected version of the chart below.

Here's the updated chart:
New Model #3
Serial #...Shipped............ Caliber & Type
2773 ...... Sept. 1, 1879
6561 ...... Aug. 9, 1881 .... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5" bbl, smooth wood grips
6740 ...... March 7, 1882
6763 ...... March 15, 1882
8823 ...... March 9, 1880 ... 44 Russian, 6" barrel, nickel
18099...... Nov. 11, 1883
24672...... Aug. 11, 1904 ... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5"bbl, checkered wood grips, Japan
28501...... August 12, 1896

28035...... Sept. 4, 1893 ... 45 Schofield, blued 6.5" bbl, hard rubber grips, target sights, England

31779...... Aug. 7, 1899
34040...... May 24, 1904 .....44 Russian, 6.5" bbl, target sights, blue
35102...... Dec. 28, 1915 ... 44 Russian, 5"Bbl, TgtSites, Non-rebounding Hmr, Nickel.
35602.......Ltr pending ...... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5" bbl. target sights, cut for shoulder stock

New Model #3 Target
2001 ...... Mar. 30, 1893
2100 ...... May 1, 1894, St Louis, Mo.... 38-44
3384 ...... May 11, 1899

New Model #3 Frontier 44/40
52 .......... May 13, 1891
981 ........ Dec 11, 1893 .... 5"bbl, blued, hard rubber grips

 

[Buffalo Nichols]

Updated Target Model 2100 and 3789, both 38-44

Here's the updated chart:
New Model #3
Serial #...Shipped............ Caliber & Type
2773 ...... Sept. 1, 1879
6561 ...... Aug. 9, 1881 .... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5" bbl, smooth wood grips
6740 ...... March 7, 1882
6763 ...... March 15, 1882
8823 ...... March 9, 1880 ... 44 Russian, 6" barrel, nickel
18099...... Nov. 11, 1883
24672...... Aug. 11, 1904 ... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5"bbl, checkered wood grips, Japan
28501...... August 12, 1896

28035...... Sept. 4, 1893 ... 45 Schofield, blued 6.5" bbl, hard rubber grips, target sights, England

31779...... Aug. 7, 1899
34040...... May 24, 1904 .....44 Russian, 6.5" bbl, target sights, blue
35102...... Dec. 28, 1915 ... 44 Russian, 5"Bbl, TgtSites, Non-rebounding Hmr, Nickel.
35602.......Ltr pending ...... 44 Russian, blued, 6.5" bbl. target sights, cut for shoulder stock

New Model #3 Target
2001 ...... Mar. 30, 1893
2100 ...... May 1, 1894, St Louis, Mo.... 38-44
3384 ...... May 11, 1899
3789 ...... I got the barrel 6.5 ", 38-44, Post 1899 single line barrel address, caliber marked, for 1 9/16 length cylinder, don't know where the rest of the gun is.

New Model #3 Frontier 44/40
52 .......... May 13, 1891
981 ........ Dec 11, 1893 .... 5"bbl, blued, hard rubber grips[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

 

[shooboy]

I didn't read this full thread as I'm usually hanging out on other parts of the Forum, just thought it was time for a picture. Model 3 First American in .44 S&W. Three-digit serial number, oil weep hole is there, no US Army marking. Yes. I know it has the wrong front sight blade. Guess it's pretty valuable. Wish my friend would let me have it, Shoo

 

[Win38-55]

That is a gorgeous six-shooter!