part needed for 1905

[babbirbar]

I have a model 1905, no changes, that I desperately need a part for that may have been used only in the 1905 model, before the changes came along. It's a small disc shaped part that attaches to the side of the cylinder bolt. The trigger has a protrusion that acts on this part to lower the bolt and then releases it.
I've tried all the usual suspects (Numrich, jack first, etc.) with no help.
Very grateful for any help.

 

[glowe]

Welcome to the Forum. Are you referring to the cylinder stop? Early guns had a flag on the front of the trigger that interacted with a small pin in the side of the cylinder stop, allowing it to descend as the revolver was cocked. A picture is below.

Please provide the caliber and serial number on the butt in order to let us know what specific part do you need. Also, what is the last patent date on the top of the barrel?

Does the inside look like this? This represents all early models before the rebound slide and new cylinder stop was first installed. The bolt interacts with the trigger and not the hammer preventing the gun from cocking while the cylinder is open. Look as the black bar behind the trigger.

 

[babbirbar]

Sir, the small part just below the red arrow is what I need. The S/N is 9367. The last patent date is oct 14 '98, as near as i can make out.

 

[babbirbar]

it is the part that is acted upon by the trigger.

Thank you,

roy

 

[rct269]

Well, I thought I knew pretty much about all this stuff after ALL these years, but Gary knew more---or at least figured it out a damn sight faster than I did.

I was about to say "There ain't no God!", but I reckon there really is, and He was taking a break-----or at least He wasn't paying any attention to me!

Oh well!!

Ralph Tremaine

In the for what it's worth department, I once had a similar problem with a 1902. It was all there---nothing worn or broke ------just totally inoperative thanks to more crud than the law allows. The good news is I wasn't trying to fix it, just to get it apart for it's welcome bath. All was well after the bath. I fixed it without even knowing it needed fixin'!!

 

[glowe]

That revolver is a Model 1899, not 1905 and was likely manufactured in 1899 if it is a 38 Special. I assume there is no caliber stamping on the left side of the barrel since the factory did not start stamping them until around serial number 7000 - 7500. Being that it was the first model solid frame revolver made, with what is now known as a K frame, the parts are long gone. After over 120 years, spare parts are all used up. I know of one person who has cylinder stops for this model and will ask him if he is willing to part with one? If you are talking about the spring loaded part that is inset into the cylinder stop, I am sure you will never find it, so best to replace the whole cylinder stop. You can ask for a cylinder stop for either a Model 1899 or a Model 1902 on the WTB section while I contact another source for you.

Can I ask what condition your revolver is in? It might make a difference to anyone who has extra cylinder stops as putting a nice old 1899 back in service is always something our members want to help where they can.

 

[mikepriwer]

The part directly below the red arrow is the cylinder stop. It has a pin that is engaged by the finger at the front of the trigger, and it is what pulls the cylinder stop down, as the trigger continues being pulled. At some point, the finger passes that pin, and that releases the cylinder stop, so that it can pop back up. When the trigger is released, the finger hits the bevel on that pin, pushing it into the cylinder stop so that it can pass over it. Once over it, the pin is released so that it is ready for the next trigger pull.

This variation was used until early 1905, when it was redesigned. There are some square-butt revolvers produced prior to 1905, and they also used this design.

Gary asked some questions of you, that ought to be answered. Also, if possible, get a good picture of the lock-work, showing where the part is missing, or a picture showing what piece of the cylinder stop is missing.

If you can take pictures but are unable to post them, email them to me and I can post them. [email protected]

Mike Priwer

 

[rct269]

And if I'm remembering correctly, the cylinder stop is a completely self contained unit-----no external spring involved.

Ralph Tremaine

 

[mikepriwer]

Ralph

That's right! It does have two internal springs, one of which is prone to breakage, and the other is the plunger spring that can get stuck inside the piece, but with a lot of trouble, can be taken apart, ultimately cleaned, and get it working again.

Regards, Mike

 

[babbirbar]

Gary,

The revolver does have the caliber on the barrel." .38 S&W Special CTG", it's on the left side of the barrel.
I'll try to send you pics.