Pepper spray vs bullet. Bullet wins. Update: Charges dropped.

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This happened yesterday in Denver. Competing rallies downtown, Patriot Somethings vs Communist somethings. Guy in Black Guns Matter shirt gets in a yakkety match with a Pinkerton security guard hired to escort a TV news crew. Shirt guy sprays Pinkerton guy with bear spray, Pinkerton guy shoots shirt guy dead. Pinkerton guy charged with Murder in the first.

When will this madness end?

Fatal Shooting in Denver Amid Dueling Protests, Police Say - The New York Times
 

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Michelle Malkin's twitter page has dissected multiple videos and pictures of the shooting. Her take on it there was an argument, security guard with ties to Antifa drew his gun, as he was raising it the other guy lets loose with a volley of bear repellent then gets shot in the face.

There has been at least three different spins by the cops and the local news agency that hired the bodyguard. It will be interesting to see what happens and what the real story is. Right now I think Michelle Malkin knows more about it than the cops are admitting to.
 
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With so many videos of the incident, the court case should be fairly straight forward.
 
Rudi said:
With so many videos of the incident, the court case should be fairly straight forward.
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Unless there's audio with the video, I had been thinking the video wouldn't play that big a role. There's no question that there was a confrontation and the security guard shot the guy with pepper spray.

Won't everything for security guy hinge on whether he can articulate why it was reasonable for him to use deadly force?
 
A Pinkerton shooting someone at a demonstration, how 19th century.

That incident was a collection of bad decisions by all involved. It seems to be a case of when egos collide. The video is like a perverse display of the force spectrum, I'll probably see it in a ConEd class next year. They went from verbal to hands on to less than lethal and lethal in no time.

I don't know where all this is headed, but I don't think it's anyplace good. There are a lot of angry people out there, and they keep getting angrier. Some just seem to be angry for the sake of being angry. I suspect this will get much worse after Nov 3rd, as one side or the other will be much angrier.

The novelty has really worn off of 2020. I'd say I can't wait for 2021, but I'm not so sure it's going to be an improvement.
 
Denver PD stated they recovered two firearms at scene, one from the shooter and apparently the second from the victim. There is more video/audio and still shots of the incident leading up to and including the shot being fired. Have to wonder if the Denver TV stations crew was possibly trying to instigate or stage an incident to film.
 
At best the Pinkerton guard will probably plead to a lesser charge, probably manslaughter. It won't be too hard for a good defense to show that he was attacked with a debilitating spray, thus placing him in danger from the sprayer. As an employee of Pinkerton, he'll have competent representation via the company.

In a year or more, the case will go to court and we shall all have forgotten about it and he'll probably walk away without too much pain.
 
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At best the Pinkerton guard will probably plead to a lesser charge, probably manslaughter. It won't be too hard for a good defense to show that he was attacked with a debilitating spray, thus placing him in danger from the sprayer. As an employee of Pinkerton, he'll have competent representation via the company.

In a year or more, the case will go to court and we shall all have forgotten about it and he'll probably walk away without too much pain.
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I saw a little earlier where Pinkerton is saying he isn't a Pinkerton employee, but may have some type of subcontractor relationship with them. The city of Denver is saying he isn't licensed to work as a security guard or carry a pistol as a security guard inside the Denver city limits.
 
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The news this morning said he was not licensed as a security guard. But, it's still early... Still, no one should've been killed over this. That's a good reason to stay away from all this craziness.
 
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You spray me with mace or near spray and you can expect a bullet in return. Then again, I wouldn't put myself in the positions these people do. I would never go to one of these protests regardless of which side I was on. Nothing good comes from a BLM protest and nothing good comes from counter protesters either. Neither side is ever swayed.
 
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Her take on it there was an argument, security guard with ties to Antifa drew his gun, as he was raising it the other guy lets loose with a volley of bear repellent then gets shot in the face.
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"However, after several right-wing individuals and groups claimed, without evidence, that the shooter was affiliated with antifa, Denver Police tweeted that "further investigation has determined the suspect is a private security guard with no affiliation with Antifa."


Yet another tragedy during a time when everything is dialed to max, and providing an echo chamber for unfounded extremist media claims from either side only amplifies.
 
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Pepper spray vs bullet. Bullet wins.

Problem is that I don't thik the winner is going to like the prize.

This has become a HUGE issue with the proliferation of concealed carry by individuals that do not understand the concept of self defense and a justified shoot. Hell, een I don't understand it sometimes other than to say it is an intensive FACT driven determination coupled with an intensive political decision.

What may be justified under a particular set of facts in one jurisdiction may very well get you indicted and possibly convicted of a homicide in another jurisdiction for the identical fact scenario.

A lot of internet commandos and good law abiding citizens are finding this out the hard way.

Caje's advice.... STAY THE F*** AWAY FROM TROUBLE OR SITUATIONS THAT YOU KNOW BETTER. No reason to insert yourself into ANY situation that may call for the use of deadly force. One of the first things asked in these type of situations is why were you (the shooter) even there in the first place-It goes to merde from there. And don't give me any " I won't let those so and so's dictate where I can go" nonsense. Use some common sense
 
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