Performance Center 952-2 longslide vs Performance Center PPC9 6"
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Ed Fowler
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Thanks for sharing, she is absolutely beautiful!
Tracking tells me mine is in Denver and on her way to her new home. Maybe tomorrow, looks like a storm may have sidelined her voyage for a day.
Tracking tells me mine is in Denver and on her way to her new home. Maybe tomorrow, looks like a storm may have sidelined her voyage for a day.
Did you get it yet?
Ed Fowler
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Yes, she came yesterday I was greatly surprised, I figured she would show a lot of use, but she is pristine. I cleaned her up, found no residue in the barrel and very little evidence of use.
Very cold here yesterday, shot her 15 times, she did well, then dry fired her yesterday and last night, today I shot about 40 rounds through her and was delighted to see that she is sighted in very close to my eyesight and target load. My 40 shot group was about 7" at 88 yards, so far she shoots as well as my P 210's. It is hard to tell any significant difference
in accuracy, I will shoot several thousand rounds before making that call.
It was snowing while I was shooting, I felt a little guilty making her work in this kind of weather, but she did not complain. Am I in love? Yes!
I do feel a significant responsibility to take good care of her, but will shoot her a lot. Her serial No is KAZ1436, just a little younger than yours
I will try and take some photos and post them up.
Very cold here yesterday, shot her 15 times, she did well, then dry fired her yesterday and last night, today I shot about 40 rounds through her and was delighted to see that she is sighted in very close to my eyesight and target load. My 40 shot group was about 7" at 88 yards, so far she shoots as well as my P 210's. It is hard to tell any significant difference
in accuracy, I will shoot several thousand rounds before making that call.
It was snowing while I was shooting, I felt a little guilty making her work in this kind of weather, but she did not complain. Am I in love? Yes!
I do feel a significant responsibility to take good care of her, but will shoot her a lot. Her serial No is KAZ1436, just a little younger than yours
I will try and take some photos and post them up.
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Ammo preference?
Can anyone share any load data (or factory loads) that the 952-2 long slide prefers. I have one that I've only put 20 rounds through and then put it in the safe. This thread has inspired me to give it some exercise!
Thanks,
Rick
Can anyone share any load data (or factory loads) that the 952-2 long slide prefers. I have one that I've only put 20 rounds through and then put it in the safe. This thread has inspired me to give it some exercise!
Thanks,
Rick
Ed Fowler
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Here she is, exactly what I wanted.
Ed Fowler
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So far I have only used the load that I found that works best in my Sig P 210's and tried it today in my 952-1. My first 40 round group at 88 yards measured a little over 7 inches. It must be about the same as the man who used her last used because they were center hold and about 4 inches to the right, but the sun was far to the left which could account for the windage.
3.4 grains of 700 X
Rim Rock 122 grain TC lead bullets
Over All Length of cartridge, 1.34.
I found that the TC 122 grain lead bullets were much more accurate at long range than the 115 grain lead round nose.
I like to judge accuracy on groups of at least 50 shots, it is easy to shoot a smaller group with 5 or 10 shots but I feel the more you shoot the better your prediction of accuracy.
SR 7625 proved very accurate, but I did not have enough to shoot it a lot, that powder is very scarce here.
After shooting I always run a brush filled with bore butter through the bore.
I find mine an absolute joy to shoot, hope you do also.
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Thank you bc1023 for taking the time to review so many wonderful pistols. I have read your evaluations posted on Glocktalk, and I must say, you are one of best sources that I use before making a pistol purchase.
I have a friend that I shoot with that has a nearly brand new 952-2 6" longslide. It is a fantastic pistol, but like any other, it definitely has it likes and dislikes of factory ammo choices. We were out last week testing some loads, and he tried AE 124g FMJ ammo and it was terrible.
We then tried AE 147g Flat nose FMJ and it was very, very, good.
I have a friend that I shoot with that has a nearly brand new 952-2 6" longslide. It is a fantastic pistol, but like any other, it definitely has it likes and dislikes of factory ammo choices. We were out last week testing some loads, and he tried AE 124g FMJ ammo and it was terrible.
We then tried AE 147g Flat nose FMJ and it was very, very, good.
Ed Fowler
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I would like to know more information on them, thought it would be easy to find when they were made and the differences between the various versions. So far my searches have been pretty slim. I would appreciate references and naturally any information you may have.
Ed, there were several "small" runs with different color schemes and some variations in the machining. However, the main versions of the 952 are as follows:
952 = blued gun with no grip safety
952-1 = blued gun with grip safety
952-2 = stainless gun with grip safety
952-2 Longslide = stainless gun with grip safety and 6" barrel
Ed Fowler
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Thank you sir! You have provided me with more information than hours of internet search. I most sincerely appreciate it
Ed Fowler
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This thread prompted me to conduct some accuracy experiments, I had to pick up 2 S&W 952-1s to compare to my Sig P 210's, a Legend and a Legend Target.
The first part of the test has been shooting 4 500 round groups at 12 inch chain sprockets at 88 yards from a very stable sitting position using what I consider my accuracy load, 3.5 grains of 700X behind a 122 grain lead cast TC bullet from Rim Rock Bullets and Starline Brass all from the same lot. Pistols were shot on consecutive days, weather permitting over the coerce of 4 months.
Accuracy was recorded by the percentage of hits from each pistol.
The S&W 952-1 came out on top with 96% hits, the Sig Legend was close behind with 92% hits.
For my eyes there is a noticeable difference between the sights on the Legend and the Wilson Combat sights on the 952-1.
I find the Legend more pleasant to dry fire as the hammer is more friendly to my thumb when cocking the pistol. Both are very pleasant to shoot. The 952-s always throws the brass in a neat little pile at my side while the Sig Legend P 210 throws brass over a much wider area.
I found it easy to learn their triggers and am very pleased with them both, they are slightly different but delightful and a tribute to the makers art.
My next test will be comparing the Sig Legend Target with my second 952-1, both of them were in new condition when I got them. Someone had shot the 952-1 with some lead bullets that really leaded the barrel, the groves were completely filled with lead obscuring the rifling in the back 1/2 of the barrel. The seller told me he had bought it used and shot it but that it did not shoot well in his hands. As usual I broke her down and cleaned her completely. After a little work I got the lead out and it shot a 2" group at the 88 yard chain sprocket. I feel it will
be very competitive against the Legend Target.
Which is more accurate? At this time I feel they are very close to equal but different, in a match I would not take either for granted.
The first part of the test has been shooting 4 500 round groups at 12 inch chain sprockets at 88 yards from a very stable sitting position using what I consider my accuracy load, 3.5 grains of 700X behind a 122 grain lead cast TC bullet from Rim Rock Bullets and Starline Brass all from the same lot. Pistols were shot on consecutive days, weather permitting over the coerce of 4 months.
Accuracy was recorded by the percentage of hits from each pistol.
The S&W 952-1 came out on top with 96% hits, the Sig Legend was close behind with 92% hits.
For my eyes there is a noticeable difference between the sights on the Legend and the Wilson Combat sights on the 952-1.
I find the Legend more pleasant to dry fire as the hammer is more friendly to my thumb when cocking the pistol. Both are very pleasant to shoot. The 952-s always throws the brass in a neat little pile at my side while the Sig Legend P 210 throws brass over a much wider area.
I found it easy to learn their triggers and am very pleased with them both, they are slightly different but delightful and a tribute to the makers art.
My next test will be comparing the Sig Legend Target with my second 952-1, both of them were in new condition when I got them. Someone had shot the 952-1 with some lead bullets that really leaded the barrel, the groves were completely filled with lead obscuring the rifling in the back 1/2 of the barrel. The seller told me he had bought it used and shot it but that it did not shoot well in his hands. As usual I broke her down and cleaned her completely. After a little work I got the lead out and it shot a 2" group at the 88 yard chain sprocket. I feel it will
be very competitive against the Legend Target.
Which is more accurate? At this time I feel they are very close to equal but different, in a match I would not take either for granted.
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goldenlight
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I expect you would find significantly better accuracy using 124gr. FMJ handloads. If you want the best possible accuracy, WEIGH each powder load. Yes, it's slow. Yes, it makes a difference.
I have cast hundreds of thousands of those curious flat point 122 grain lead bullets. My brother calls them 'crayon point bullets', for their similarity to the Crayola crayons when new. They are great for plinking and shooting for fun, due to their low cost, but manufactured 124gr. FMJ deliver significantly better accuracy in my most accurate 9mm, my H&K P9S Target Model. Since it only has a 4 inch barrel, I doubt it can match the accuracy of a PC 9mm with a 6 inch barrel. But it is fun to shoot. At this point, my long past middle age eyes are the greatest hindrance to my accuracy, beyond about 25 feet. Getting old sucks.
oldRoger
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I have a Pardini GT with the 6" barrel. It has a superb trigger and the sights are typical of a high end match pistol.
I also have a CZ 75 from the CZ Custom Shop which is on a par with my P210.
I have reviewed some ransom rest tests done in Europe to test the precision of various commercial and hand loaded 9mm ammunition.
I am convinced that the limitation in all of the high end pistols discussed here is ammunition.
I cannot hold close enough to test ammunition for precision, but the tests I refer to above suggest that a 1.5" vertical string at 50 meters is typical of the very best commercial ammunition.
These tests also confirm that some ammunition is more precise in some pistols than others.
My point is that given the ammunition variables it would take a Ransom Rest and a lot of work to determine which is the most precise pistol which is not the same as the best match pistol.
I also have a CZ 75 from the CZ Custom Shop which is on a par with my P210.
I have reviewed some ransom rest tests done in Europe to test the precision of various commercial and hand loaded 9mm ammunition.
I am convinced that the limitation in all of the high end pistols discussed here is ammunition.
I cannot hold close enough to test ammunition for precision, but the tests I refer to above suggest that a 1.5" vertical string at 50 meters is typical of the very best commercial ammunition.
These tests also confirm that some ammunition is more precise in some pistols than others.
My point is that given the ammunition variables it would take a Ransom Rest and a lot of work to determine which is the most precise pistol which is not the same as the best match pistol.
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