PET PEEVE - FROM GUYS ASKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC GUN'S VALUE

We were all new to the sport at one point in time. Unfortunately many in this sport forget that. The firearms world is worse than most in that regard. It isn't new and probably isn't going away anytime soon.

We need a steady influx of new people. There are segments of this sport that are literally dying off. My trap club has lost a dozen of the old guard in the last couple of years, no one has stepped up to replace them. Conventional pistol bullseye is all but dead in this area. Service rifle isn't far behind.

We need the new people. Be nice to them.

The most successful practical pistol club I was ever associated with tool a fairly relaxed approach to the “competition” aspect of it. It was very much focused on regular folks and police officers who wanted to improve their defensive handgun skills with handguns they actually carried.

You could run a race gun, but you were not going to impress anyone.

Most fun I ever had, mostly because the folks with the big egos got shut down in a hurry. That was a key element to success as so self anointed experts do a superb job of chasing off the new folks.

I’ve seen that from time to time in Bullseye shooting and in service rifle/high power competition. When the cultural becomes all about personal achievement, rather than brining in new members and making them feel welcome, clubs die.


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The CMP effect on service rifle is a tangential problem. DCM used to run the equivalent of a well regulated late 1960’s - early 1970s NASCAR or Grand National type of event (where they actually ran cars, or in this case rifles, that came off the production line, with a limited set of required or allowed modifications) to ensure a good balance, using an actual service rifle or copy, with just enough refinement to allow for healthy completion and measurement of progress. If it was 1.5 MOA accurate with issued ammunition, you could be competitive.

CMP ruined that by going back to stock as issued condition rifles, eliminating any meaningful ability to measure improvement, while quite frankly watering down the marksmanship side of the house just to sell surplus guns to collectors , and worse, flippers.
 
I’ve seen that from time to time in Bullseye shooting and in service rifle/high power competition. When the cultural becomes all about personal achievement, rather than brining in new members and making them feel welcome, clubs die.

Wasn't my experience and my old club was always welcoming. No one was ever made to feel bad because they had a Mark II or a Buckmark. As for personal achievement, that's the goal, isn't it? What I shoot is up to me and what the guy next to me is doing has no impact on my score.

I was told and always tell people to try to improve what they do and not worry about the guy next to them that has been shooting for twenty years. If they listen, they stick around.
 
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This^^^^^^^^^^ wether it’s the gun club or gun forums there always seems to be the “ older guys” looking down their nose at inexperienced gun guys. I’ve experienced it myself in my mid 20s at the gun club. If new blood isn’t introduced into our hobby then all your Registered Magnums and fancy engraved guns are worthless. There won’t be anyone to buy them.
This very phenomenon is apparent now to those who are vested in "vintage guitars" especially "Burst" Les Paul guitars from the 60's. A friend who died some time ago left his wife a mint condition "59 Burst". She was told what it was "worth", so she never sold it for what it was really worth. Every day that goes by the Boomers are dying off. I don't think I will ever hear what she got for it, or even if she ever sold it at all, because it will not be a proud story. No, I ain't gonna ask; and don't you ask either!

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BrianD

Here is a link to a Tube where the four of the leading guitar influencers consider the question. They do not admit that the guitars will lose significant value. A better link would be where the same principle was discussed applying to gun values if you know any.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FEDRzSNINg[/ame]
 
there always seems to be the “ older guys” looking down their nose at inexperienced gun guys.

I generally look down on the guys who bought a "sweeeeet" plastic fantastic a few years ago, ran two mags through it, and have never shot again because they play "Call to Wolfenstein" and figure they know everything.

I also look down on the guys who trick out cars and never take them to the track but like to talk about what they and their car can do.

I also look down on the people (usually women) who take a one evening "self defense" class where they learn to say "NO!" and never practice anything.
 
I generally look down on the guys who bought a "sweeeeet" plastic fantastic a few years ago, ran two mags through it, and have never shot again because they play "Call to Wolfenstein" and figure they know everything.

I also look down on the guys who trick out cars and never take them to the track but like to talk about what they and their car can do.

I also look down on the people (usually women) who take a one evening "self defense" class where they learn to say "NO!" and never practice anything.

I don’t disagree. BUT those are not the folks who usually ask for advice or help. They already know lol
 
I also look down on the people (usually women) who take a one evening "self defense" class where they learn to say "NO!" and never practice anything.

I just look down on women who say "no" in general :)
 
PET PEEVE - FROM GUYS ASKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC GUN'S VALUE

Be nice to those half-wits asking about gun values.

Gun thieves need love too . . .
 
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I've wondered about that for years, maybe decades. I see pics posted that look like they were taken with the pinhole camera that I made in Cub Scouts. The poster invariably says, "Sorry for the lousy pics, I'm using my ****** cell phone. LOL" Why the LOL? How about get a better camera? How about cropping and editing?

With rare exceptions, when I post pictures of things, I upload them to my computer to crop and edit which may include modifying the brightness, contrast or gamma. Maybe I just care too much.
 
It is hard enough to try to accurately value a pistol or revolver just by looking at pictures here on the Forum and without handling and personally looking at the gun. Many post no pictures (or very poor ones) have little to no specific facts, dash numbers, year of manufacture, barrel lengths, or specific condition. They do not state exactly what comes with said gun such as the original box, paper work, tools, etc.

Then when one of us asks for pictures and more specifics, we may never get properly updated. I would request a "sticky" that provides guide lines to newbie's and less intuitive potential inquirers so that they fully understand what is required for us to assist them in determining a fair and accurate value. Leaving all the specifics and quality photos out is sort of a waste of time! Kind of like asking, "what's my green Ford pickup worth"?

Rant over.

You know you could hit the [x] or back button you know? You don't have to participate. Next, no one reads the stickies. The only stickies I typically pay attention to are the forum and marketplace rules. Forums with dozens of stickies before you reach actual post are annoying. The more stickies that exist, the less likely anyone will read them.
 

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