Hillbilly77
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please help me understand this
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gregintenn
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I've never been in a union, and short of seeing my children starving, will never be in one.
I've always tried to do everything expected of me, as well as anything else I saw that needed doing. The money just fell into my lap afterwards.
A company isn't there to provide jobs. It exists to make the owners money. An employee is a necessary evil in the process to make money.
When you think you are important, here's a little test to show you how important you really are. Stick your hand in a bucket of water. Pull it out. The hole it left represents the hole you will leave behind when you leave.
If you are worth more than you are being paid, go somewhere else and get what you are worth. If you can't find someone else who will pay more for what you do, then you are very likely overpaid.
I've always tried to do everything expected of me, as well as anything else I saw that needed doing. The money just fell into my lap afterwards.
A company isn't there to provide jobs. It exists to make the owners money. An employee is a necessary evil in the process to make money.
When you think you are important, here's a little test to show you how important you really are. Stick your hand in a bucket of water. Pull it out. The hole it left represents the hole you will leave behind when you leave.
If you are worth more than you are being paid, go somewhere else and get what you are worth. If you can't find someone else who will pay more for what you do, then you are very likely overpaid.
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cmort666
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...within the constraints of the law.
Apparently these days, they aren't all that constraining....
cmort666
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If you can't find someone else who will pay more for what you do (or indeed, just pay you for WHAT you do), then you are very likely living in America in 2014.
gregintenn
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You are a union man I presume?
I'm retired now.....
But the last few years that I worked raises were non-existent. It also didn't matter what kind of job a person did, the review was always 'average' unless it was somebody slated for bigger things.
But the last few years that I worked raises were non-existent. It also didn't matter what kind of job a person did, the review was always 'average' unless it was somebody slated for bigger things.
cmort666
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You presume completely and totally incorrectly.
You could not be LESS correct, if you mistook an RG for a Triple Lock Smith.
I've never been in a union and don't anticipate that I EVER will be.
gregintenn
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I've never once been accused of being a good judge of people.
Maybe I'm an idiot, I don't know but when I did factory work, it was for the good of the company and productivity. There were those that said, "I'm not going to do any extra work, they're not paying me extra."
I was always over 100% productivity and accuracy. Guess who got the higher raises when performance reviews came up?
This "It's not my job" or people trying to get away with doing minimal work then complaining of getting less pay makes me feel ill.
No I didn't kiss butt or take any poop. I just worked hard and went home feeling good that I did an honest days work and did more than earned my paycheck.
There are some badly managed companies out there. When I ran into that, I'd find another job and get the hell out of there.
Now when I make a leather product for somebody, I do the best I'm physically able to do. I don't do just enough because I'm just in it for the money. I take great pride in my work and I believe that the client deserves the highest quality product for their hard earned money.
I was always over 100% productivity and accuracy. Guess who got the higher raises when performance reviews came up?
This "It's not my job" or people trying to get away with doing minimal work then complaining of getting less pay makes me feel ill.
No I didn't kiss butt or take any poop. I just worked hard and went home feeling good that I did an honest days work and did more than earned my paycheck.
There are some badly managed companies out there. When I ran into that, I'd find another job and get the hell out of there.
Now when I make a leather product for somebody, I do the best I'm physically able to do. I don't do just enough because I'm just in it for the money. I take great pride in my work and I believe that the client deserves the highest quality product for their hard earned money.
cmort666
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With the possible exception of AFSCME, if I'd worked for the government, NO job I've EVER had would likely be unionized.I've never once been accused of being a good judge of people.
Be honest, work hard and you'll get ahead is rapidly becoming a thing of the past.
Businesses have more potential workers than they know what to do with. Apparently some of them figure that they don't need to pay a decent wage, or even pay for the work done at the agreed upon wage. They'll just fire or lay off people who object too much to being exploited, and take the chance that they can't or won't sue, or that the government won't prosecute them for violating the LAW.
For all of the respect my last employer had for its employees, we might as well have been Jews in striped pajamas, building V-2s in a coal mine in Bohemia.
Hillbilly77
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cmort666
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That's a good idea... when the country isn't in a near depression and "another job" isn't flipping burgers... or no job at all.
Employers know they have you over a barrel today and they're determined to get that last drop of blood out of the stones they refer to with a smirk as "employees".
Old Seabee
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My Dad told me hard work & low wages take along time. And an easy way to make money is to buy someone for what he is worth & sell him for what he thinks he is worth . Is this not the lounge ? OldSeabee
My Dad told me hard work & low wages take along time. And an easy way to make money is to buy someone for what he is worth & sell him for what he thinks he is worth . Is this not the lounge ? OldSeabee
gregintenn
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So you had the only job in America left that wasn't "flipping burgers?"
Do you consider "flipping burgers" beneath you?
If I took a job flipping burgers, my short term goal would be to become the next manager. I would do that by being the best burger flipper they ever saw.
I guess we just see the world from different perspectives.
speedyquad
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this is not the norm any more...everybody at my company get the same raise, if we even get one...well except one guy...he missed a few weeks due to back surgery...didn't miss any other days...he didn't get a raise...
this is the norm...those other jobs aren't out there
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DeathGrip
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Worker bees,
I've had plenty of jobs working for others. I still kinda of do.
I've seen so many fools in charge of things that had no clue. I've seen others that have been there and done that.
Truth be told, I've never been good at kissing butt.
I've made myself indispensable instead.
I've had plenty of jobs working for others. I still kinda of do.
I've seen so many fools in charge of things that had no clue. I've seen others that have been there and done that.
Truth be told, I've never been good at kissing butt.
I've made myself indispensable instead.
jlrhiner
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Sounds to me like most of you should have joined a union.
Let's see;
Boss treats you like ****. check
Forced to work overtime without pay. Check
Underpaid for the hours you do work. Check
I made it thirty years in my union. I went from apprentice to project superintendent. I taught mathematics, drafting and rigging in our apprenticeship schools. I was an OSHA and MSHA outreach instructor. I choose to perform to succeed.
To the OP. I had a rule that I always followed; "Till the first check bounced". That was as far as my loyalty went. I always did my job, better than expected. When I began running work, my focus was on getting my people home safe each night then getting the job done as fast as possible. I never had a contract go over, and I have run over 3.5 million man-hours of work without a lost time accident. Through all those years, I never made a secret of the fact my loyalty was to my union, my people and then the job.
Let's see;
Boss treats you like ****. check
Forced to work overtime without pay. Check
Underpaid for the hours you do work. Check
I made it thirty years in my union. I went from apprentice to project superintendent. I taught mathematics, drafting and rigging in our apprenticeship schools. I was an OSHA and MSHA outreach instructor. I choose to perform to succeed.
To the OP. I had a rule that I always followed; "Till the first check bounced". That was as far as my loyalty went. I always did my job, better than expected. When I began running work, my focus was on getting my people home safe each night then getting the job done as fast as possible. I never had a contract go over, and I have run over 3.5 million man-hours of work without a lost time accident. Through all those years, I never made a secret of the fact my loyalty was to my union, my people and then the job.
speedyquad
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don't happen that way...you could flip your buns off and the restaurant owner's daughters baby daddy gets hired off the street for the manager position
gregintenn
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I'm 40, and have worked since I was 8, and that has never been my experience.
I know you don't like to hear it, but some of you need to quit looking at management, and start looking in the mirror for the source of what's holding you back.
I guess that's part of the thing about living in little town West Virginia. There are warehouses and factories out here that are always looking for people. They're not high paying prestigious jobs but they do pay enough to earn a living. Ya get dirty, sweaty and physically tired but it's honest hard work. If management gets unbearably unfair you can take a temp to hire position elsewhere and you're out of there. I've done that a few times.
People out here don't say that a job's too menial or beneath them, a job's a job and a paycheck's a paycheck.
Also, local out here can mean a 50 mile commute one way.
When people say that somethings the "norm" that may apply to them but there's more to the world than just them.
People out here don't say that a job's too menial or beneath them, a job's a job and a paycheck's a paycheck.
Also, local out here can mean a 50 mile commute one way.
When people say that somethings the "norm" that may apply to them but there's more to the world than just them.
