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[SMMAssociates]

Rastoff:

+1....

With the disconnect active - with no magazine in the gun - it keeps the trigger bar and sear apart. When a magazine is inserted, the bit of metal that blocks them moves out of the way as a result of the magazine moving it. The trigger just isn't part of this mechanism at all, except in the sense that the mag disconnect keeps the trigger bar away from the sear.

No effect on the trigger action....

This is NOT the case in 1911's with the Colt-style firing pin block, nor is it related to the drop safety in the M&P slide that's actuated by the trigger bar.

(1911's with Swartz safety mechanisms are a tad different. The grip safety moves a pin into the slide to move the trigger block out of the way. This DOES NOT affect the trigger pull at all. The Colt block adds a smidge to the trigger weight, but if everything is working OK, most shooters would never notice, and few are capable of measuring the change either.)

My old M39 has a mag disconnect - very easy to remove/fix/clean. I'm not sure whether it has any effect on the trigger. I've had it set up both ways over the years (bought it before 1975), but don't remember any difference.

That video, btw, is excellent.

Regards,

 

[fire4606]

You guys might want to re watch your video. The magazine disconnect or as SMMA calls it, "that bit of metal" is another friction point.

Compare it to one without the magazine safety, it's empty space there instead of metal rubbing against metal, ie.. friction...

It may not be huge but similar to the 25 cent trigger jobs that are done all over the place it can make a difference

 

[Rastoff]

Compare it to one without the magazine safety, it's empty space there instead of metal rubbing against metal, ie.. friction...I

Rubbing against what exactly?

 

[Fastbolt]

You guys might want to re watch your video. The magazine disconnect or as SMMA calls it, "that bit of metal" is another friction point.

Compare it to one without the magazine safety, it's empty space there instead of metal rubbing against metal, ie.. friction...

It may not be huge but similar to the 25 cent trigger jobs that are done all over the place it can make a difference

The trigger safety lever tab only rubs against the rear of the trigger bar, deflecting it, when the magazine is out of the gun. "Friction" doesn't matter at that point because the gun isn't intended to fire. It isn't providing any "friction" when a magazine is in the gun and the trigger bar isn't touching the angled tab of the safety lever, which is when the gun is able to be fired.

Might as well worry about pulling the trigger in colder, denser air which has more "resistance".

I've had to remove aftermarket parts from some M&P's which people wanted to carry on & off-duty (to restore them to stock condition). In the last couple of instances both guys were frequent shooters (one was a firearms instructor) and each owned at least a couple of M&P's.

In each instance they were convinced they would be unable to shoot the guns as quickly, accurately and effectively once the aftermarket parts were removed. Once we went out to the firing line and I started running them through some increasingly demanding drills, taking their attention off their preconceived notions of "trigger feel" & "trigger reset" ... making them focus on good trigger control and normal trigger recovery ... their accuracy improved and they were able to shoot faster.

If some folks were to focus as much attention and effort on "improving" themselves, instead of trying to "improve" new guns, they might be more satisfied with things over the long run.

That's one of the reasons I prefer to use any particular shooter's gun when trying to teach some point, so they realize what can be done with their gun, in normal condition.

 

[redrock]

I've had to remove aftermarket parts from some M&P's which people wanted to carry on & off-duty (to restore them to stock condition). In the last couple of instances both guys were frequent shooters (one was a firearms instructor) and each owned at least a couple of M&P's.

In each instance they were convinced they would be unable to shoot the guns as quickly, accurately and effectively once the aftermarket parts were removed. Once we went out to the firing line and I started running them through some increasingly demanding drills, taking their attention off their preconceived notions of "trigger feel" & "trigger reset" ... making them focus on good trigger control and normal trigger recovery ... their accuracy improved and they were able to shoot faster.

If some folks were to focus as much attention and effort on "improving" themselves, instead of trying to "improve" new guns, they might be more satisfied with things over the long run.

That's one of the reasons I prefer to use any particular shooter's gun when trying to teach some point, so they realize what can be done with their gun, in normal condition.

There is so much wisdom in these couple of paragraphs. It really cuts through the noise and distraction of misguided digressions in to minutia that seems to be an integral part of most gun forums and gets to the heart of the matter. Great stuff, Fastbolt!

Instead of hoping to find some magical path to better shooting through superior hardware selection, most of us would be better served by simply focusing on how to become a better shooter. The really great shooters I've known were really great shooters with whatever you handed them. It might take them a little bit of time to acclimate to something new or different, but by gawd, they always seem to find a way to shoot it better than you dreamed possible.

Ever watch that guy Hickok45 on Youtube? It doesn't matter to him if you hand him a plastic gun, a metal gun, one with a hammer, one with a striker, or even one with a wheel that goes round and round. He doesn't care if it is 9, 40 or 45. Put a pile of ammo in front of him and he'll keep shooting until he figures out how to put the bullets where he is aiming.

Any of the major service platforms, loaded with any flavor of modern performance ammunition, can be made to work well. Some are a little easier to master than others, but in the end, they really are more similar than different. Blaming the hardware is always easier than being disciplined enough to invest the time in to mastering whatever gun you choose or are directed to carry. You can be the Indian, or you can keep blaming the bow or the arrows. Choice is yours.

 

[Rastoff]

I agree that good shooting is only accomplished through good trigger control. I also agree that, if the gun is working properly, you can shoot any gun fairly well with proper trigger control and concentration on fundamentals.

Changing the mechanics of the gun by installing new parts will not make you a better shooter. However, improving your trigger will help a good shooter get better.

That said, I never blame the equipment. If you do well, it's you. If you do poorly, it's still you.