Ported Barrels Pro's and Con's

You know it's amazing, I spoke to the folks at Magna-Port in the end of September about doing some work for me, they advised they were booked up till then of the year, but would work me in in January.

That's pretty amazing for a process that sets you on fire, blinds you by throwing debris at you, deafens you, makes you wet the bed and causes hemorrhoids......:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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I draw a distinction between "ported" guns and "compensated" guns. Smith has offered both kinds through the Custom Shop and various distributors. I've never owned or fired a ported revolver but I now own two compensated S&Ws. One is a 4" CS L-frame with the front sight and ramp set back to allow for the comp. The other is a 3" L-Comp. I was surprised to find that felt recoil was the same but muzzle rise was in fact reduced. For that reason I'm keeping these two revolvers and enjoying the slightly faster recovery from shot to shot. I'd be interested in firing ported guns with the same barrel lengths to see how they compare.

As always, YMMV!

Dave
 
[rant] Honestly, I always wonder just how much experience people have with ported guns when I read these threads. I have a couple of PC guns with Magna-porting, that's how they came. I don't consider it a negative at all. I also have two 4" 629's, a -3 and a -4. Basically identical, except the -3 is Magna-ported. I know it's nicer to shoot. Anyone whose willing to bring their own ammo and try a side by side test can contact me, I'd be happy to let you see for yourself.

With pistols, the noise isn't any greater that I've noticed, unless you're right next to a barrier. Rifles, yes, but again not so bad unless you have something reflect the sound. And, just my opinion, but the port ejecta is no worse than what is normally coming out of the B/C gap, or muzzle. If you have any parts of your body where you might be injured by a ported gun, I think the chances of injury with a non-ported gun would be good as well. Obviously hot gasses are leaving the ports, but muzzle blast from a non-ported gun can be significant as well. Can it be a problem, sure, either way, if you're not able to keep soft parts away from the danger zone. ;)

So, would I seek out a ported gun? Not necessarily. But in magnums with enough pressure to make the ports effective, it does what it's supposed to do, and I like the ported guns I have. [/rant]

And, just to make it worthwhile:
629-3
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PC 629-4, PC 686-4
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PC 629-4 Hunter
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ymmv :)
 
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If you found a S&W you wanted would this stop you from getting it?

Thanks,

Mike

Yes, stop me dead in my tracks!

They're ugly. I have no use or desire for them. Lastly, yet not all that important, they're outlawed in some games I play.

For me it's a personal bias, I just have no interest in one.
 
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flash is directly a result of the ammo used.using a h-110 or 296 handload,yes it is flashy and loud. using some of the newer flash suppressed defense ammo, it is a non issue
 
My only ported revolver is a 3" Model 632 in 327 Magnum. I think the porting definately reduces muzzle rise, especially with hot 327s. Since S&W ports so few models I think it enhances the value not detracting from it. Collectors love limited production models.
 

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You know it's amazing, I spoke to the folks at Magna-Port in the end of September about doing some work for me, they advised they were booked up till then of the year, but would work me in in January.

That's pretty amazing for a process that sets you on fire, blinds you by throwing debris at you, deafens you, makes you wet the bed and causes hemorrhoids......:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

A lot of that demand is due to perception, not reality. Porting suggests a cool factor exists with the gun, that the gun is so almighty powerful that it needs porting to be manageable and so your shoot-'em-up buddies at the club think you're a true pistolero. In the real world, none of the above may be factual.

I bought a limited edition Remington Model 700 in .300 Rem Ultra Mag several years ago. Before I even shot it, I considered having it ported. Being a tournament trapshooter at the time, I had easy access to companies that brought their porting tanks to major shoots and was going to have Pro-Port do the rifle. That is, until the owner of the company asked me why I didn't just buy a .300 Win Mag in the first place because that is what I would end up with if he ported the .300RUM. As it turned out, the gun isn't all that hateful to shoot, even off a bench, so I'm glad I was dealing with an honest firm.

Porting is very popular in clay target shooting but if you ask anyone with significant knowledge of interior ballistics, they will tell you that porting is all but useless in shotguns because with 10,000psi of pressure being about the maximum in 12-gauge target loads, there simply isn't enough pressure there for the porting to be effective. Centerfire rifles, on the other hand, operate at up to 70,000psi so porting has enough pressure to work with and be effective. But there's that very real drop in muzzle velocity and energy that your chronograph will verify for you.

But some trap gun manufacturers, Browning in particular, almost do not make a trap gun without porting because so many buyers perceive it as a benefit and cannot resist the attraction of getting something "for free."

I once owned a pair of Kreighoff KS-5 single-barrel trap guns that were identical except that one that I bought used was ported by its original owner. Absolutely no one who shot both guns back-to-back with the same ammo could detect any difference in felt recoil.

Porting is great for blowing hot particles around, increasing muzzle report and flash and dirtying the gun. It also CAN reduce muzzle jump if the loads being shot generate lots of pressure. And if the ports are far enough back from the muzzle, it CAN reduce felt recoil, again with real stiff loads. But like the guy at Pro-Port asked me, if you want a .44 Special, why not just buy one instead of .44 Magnum and save the cost of the porting and the other negatives that go with it?

There is a reason why Smith & Wesson dropped the PowerPort feature from its line of full-size revolvers. Ineffectiveness and resulting slow sales is the first reason that comes to my mind.

Now, muzzle brakes and compensators that don't effectively shorten the barrel like porting does CAN BE very effective with high-pressure ammo while not reducing muzzle velocity and energy. Their only potential negative is the length they add to your barrel.

Ed
 
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I avoid them (now), at least on target guns.

I have a .45 with a comp. During extended target shooting sessions, it started to create a flinch for me. Not a blinding, burn like a gasoline fire explosion, but rather a small little seemingly innocuous poof of light & pressure in your face. When it happens when you are concentrating, trying to shoot groups, like for testing loads, it becomes distracting. Not distracting like homey in the next lane with the side levelled 9mm, or the hillbilly to the right with the 12ga., but I'd rather have no distractions rather than small ones. I'm not to concerned with recoil/muzzle jump during target sessions either.

I'm happy for the people who value them & appreciate them, I just aint one of them.
 
Some like 'em some don't. I think aftermarket porting on a S&W revolver lowers the value, I know it does for me. It's been my personal experience A/B-ing a couple of different guns that the benefit is minimal if there at all. And also that those who want so badly to believe it's an "enhancement" that adds to the price of the gun when selling it are usually those who own one and can't sell it and get all their money back out of it . . . :rolleyes:
 
Fred brought up an important and often overlooked fact - modifications to a gun lower its value 99% of the time, no matter what they are or who performed them. And the 1% exception to that rule is when you find someone who agrees totally with what you had done and is dumb enough to admit it during a price negotiation. Most of the time, even if the prospective buyer absolutely LOVES what you had done, he's going to act like he hates it and use that to lower the price you will accept.

To me, alterations to a gun suggest misuse and possibly hidden amateur gunsmithing. I know that is harsh but it's why I only buy 100% unmolested guns.

Ed
 
A lot of that demand is due to perception, not reality. Porting suggests a cool factor exists with the gun, that the gun is so almighty powerful that it needs porting to be manageable and so your shoot-'em-up buddies at the club think you're a true pistolero. In the real world, none of the above may be factual.

I bought a limited edition Remington Model 700 in .300 Rem Ultra Mag several years ago. Before I even shot it, I considered having it ported. Being a tournament trapshooter at the time, I had easy access to companies that brought their porting tanks to major shoots and was going to have Pro-Port do the rifle. That is, until the owner of the company asked me why I didn't just buy a .300 Win Mag in the first place because that is what I would end up with if he ported the .300RUM. As it turned out, the gun isn't all that hateful to shoot, even off a bench, so I'm glad I was dealing with an honest firm.

Porting is very popular in clay target shooting but if you ask anyone with significant knowledge of interior ballistics, they will tell you that porting is all but useless in shotguns because with 10,000psi of pressure being about the maximum in 12-gauge target loads, there simply isn't enough pressure there for the porting to be effective. Centerfire rifles, on the other hand, operate at up to 70,000psi so porting has enough pressure to work with and be effective. But there's that very real drop in muzzle velocity and energy that your chronograph will verify for you.

But some trap gun manufacturers, Browning in particular, almost do not make a trap gun without porting because so many buyers perceive it as a benefit and cannot resist the attraction of getting something "for free."

I once owned a pair of Kreighoff KS-5 single-barrel trap guns that were identical except that one that I bought used was ported by its original owner. Absolutely no one who shot both guns back-to-back with the same ammo could detect any difference in felt recoil.

Porting is great for blowing hot particles around, increasing muzzle report and flash and dirtying the gun. It also CAN reduce muzzle jump if the loads being shot generate lots of pressure. And if the ports are far enough back from the muzzle, it CAN reduce felt recoil, again with real stiff loads. But like the guy at Pro-Port asked me, if you want a .44 Special, why not just buy one instead of .44 Magnum and save the cost of the porting and the other negatives that go with it?

There is a reason why Smith & Wesson dropped the PowerPort feature from its line of full-size revolvers. Ineffectiveness and resulting slow sales is the first reason that comes to my mind.

Now, muzzle brakes and compensators that don't effectively shorten the barrel like porting does CAN BE very effective with high-pressure ammo while not reducing muzzle velocity and energy. Their only potential negative is the length they add to your barrel.

Ed

Just as a lot of the "negatives" of porting are due to bull manure and not reality.

My point was this, some people feel porting is a huge plus, some despise it. I'm not put off by someone hating or loving it, to each his own. I just get tired of third hand my uncle Stan shot a ported gun one time or I read it on the Glock forum posts.

It sounds like you are well versed in the subject and have substantial firsthand knowledge on it, in other words, you have an opinion I can respect, we don't have to agree, but I can still respect an opinion based on experience.
 
Thank you for your respectful reply. You are correct, I have spent a lot of time researching numerous popular firearm modifications in my capacity as a contributing editor for Shotgun Sports Magazine. In no other shooting sport is porting more popular and at the same time less effective than in clay target shooting. There is a natural give-and-take associated with porting - that is, to be effective, it has to bleed off pressure which in turn reduces muzzle velocity. Given that as well as its other drawbacks, it would have to reduce felt recoil a whole lot before I would spend money to have it done.

If recoil was a problem for me but I felt the task for which I wanted to use that particular firearm required the full downrange energy of that cartridge, I would invest in a compensator or muzzle brake. If I didn't feel I needed all that power, I would go to a lesser cartridge before porting (and devaluing) the more powerful gun.

But as you also correctly noted, a lot of people believe in porting and swear by it as being effective. I can only suggest chronographing a gun before and after or comparing the muzzle velocity of two identical guns, one of which is ported. If the ported gun's muzzle velocity is significantly lower, the porting is effective. That is dictated by physics and is not subject to opinion or emotion.

Ed
 
Thank you for all the insightful replies. I think that I will stick with un ported revolvers. Thanks again for the great replies.

Mike
 
We were out shooting yesterday and I took my 3' Mag-na-port .44mag specifically because of this thread. Shooting 240gr magnum loads that gun is a ***** cat - minimal muzzle jump and substantially reduced felt recoil, it comes almost straight back into your hand rather than jumping up. My son's girlfriend shot it and my FNP45 Tactical and watching her it was quite obvious that the gun didn't jump even as much as the .45. Say what you will about porting but I can tell you that Mag-na-port's porting works exactly as they say.
 
As stated previously, yes - porting is effective in reducing felt recoil in handguns being fed hot loads. And that's great if the downrange energy reduction is not important to you and it likely wouldn't be with such a short-barreled revolver. Don't forget, you aren't coming close to burning all the powder in full-house magnum shells in that short barrel to start with and porting is allowing more of it to exit the gun unburned.

Ed
 
I have two revolvers that I bought many years ago that are ported. I wouldnt buy a ported gun today. (As a matter of fact, I recently found a revolver on my 'Want List', but it has porting - so is a No Go for me. - - - The main reason is that now I try to keep the muzzle blast down as much as possible. (For that reason favorite chamberings are 44 Special, 45 Colt, and 38 Special).
 
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