Price Check WALTHER PPK/S PLEASE

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i have a Walther PPK/S Interarms that I am going to sell. Prices seem to be all over the lot, and there are no Interarms posted serial numbers that I can find. Never carried, fired one clip full. Stainless, like new, 380cal., have pistol rig, xtra flush mag, and the box and docs. I am the original owner, and I bought it 10/29/85. I have the sales slip. I am told the S&W manufactured ones are not so good. From what I see, I guess I am looking North of 600.00?

Thanks for the help
 
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I would think so. For serial info, check the Walther forum. For pricing, I’d go to Gunbroker and search the completed auctions. There are usually at least a dozen or more of these on offer, so there should be enough of them changing hands over time to give you a good idea what’s reasonable.
 
The American made Walthers from Interarms are not in high demand. I paid $450 for a PPK not too long ago.

Then I sent it off to get scratched up a bit.

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My preference is for one of the Smith and Wesson versions since they extended the tang thus eliminating the Walther hammer bite that us folks with the bigger hands tend to experience.

BTW, There is no need for the longer grip frame /s if the firearm is manufactured in the US. That is why Interarms was able to re-introduce the PPK
 
The American made Walthers from Interarms are not in high demand. I paid $450 for a PPK not too long ago.

Then I sent it off to get scratched up a bit.

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My preference is for one of the Smith and Wesson versions since they extended the tang thus eliminating the Walther hammer bite that us folks with the bigger hands tend to experience.

BTW, There is no need for the longer grip frame /s if the firearm is manufactured in the US. That is why Interarms was able to re-introduce the PPK

Who whittled on it for you?

I have read several comments that the Ranger/ Interarms are much better than the S&W versions
 
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Weren't there "issues" or a recall on the early S&W PPKs???

FWIW I picked up a stainless PPK/S with 4 magazines three (?) years ago for $380..... so figured the gun was about $300-325........ but it was a .32/7.65.

Let see the .380 PPK is 6+1 the PPK/S is 7+1 and the .32 PPK/S is 8+1
 
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I'm a huge fan of the Walther PP series pistols and own several. Prices on these tend to vary greatly depending on the area and just how badly the buyer wants it.
There are actually two Interarms versions of this gun. The earlier Interarms imported German made guns and the later U.S. made Ranger pistols. From the date you mentioned, I'm guessing yours is a Ranger gun.
In terms of desirability, it runs German, Ranger and then S&W. In my experience, the Ranger guns are every bit as good as the German pistols. They just aren't quite as desirable and bring slightly lower prices.
I would suggest you start at $600-650 and if it doesn't sell, lower the price a little. You should be able to sell at $500-550 easily. Like I said, it can vary greatly depending on the local market.

S&W brought the bad rap their pistols got on themselves. They just couldn't leave well enough alone and made a couple of small changes in Walther's classic and proven design. Most notably, they messed up the manual safety mechanism which resulted in a condition which could lead to a ND when the safety was released and a round in the chamber. This resulted in a major recall. Thus giving these pistols a bad reputation. Further damage was done when S&Ws service department did a poor job of repairing these pistols. Taking extremely long times to do the repair and often returning them with scratches and tool marks from the work. Owners were not happy with this and made their dis-satisfaction well know on the internet.
I own a S&W PPK/s in the scarce .32acp caliber. Once properly repaired, I've found it to be an excellent pistol.

BTW: Walther Arms in Fort Smith, Arkansas will perform repairs and warranty work on any of these pistols regardless of who made it. They did the recall on my S&W PPK/s. They're great people to deal with, do outstanding work and usually have the gun back to you in about a week.

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There are actually two Interarms versions of this gun. The earlier Interarms imported German made guns and the later U.S. made Ranger pistols. From the date you mentioned, I'm guessing yours is a Ranger gun.
The Original post states it is a stainless steel firearm.

Serial number or date do not matter, stainless steel makes it USA production.

Walther of Germany did not produce stainless steel firearms.
 
Some brief history on Walther PP series pistol manufacture.

1) Walter started making the PP in 1929 and the PPK in 1931. No military acceptance stamp or waffen eagle was used from 1933 to 1939.

2) The Walther plant at Zella-Mellis was over run by the Soviets and remained in the Soviet zone of occupation. Walther escaped to the West with what ever it could, and the remainder was captured by the Soviets. A majority of that tooling was moved to Russia, where it went largely unused, however some of it was moved to Suhl, where there was some post war East German production of PP's from armoury kits and spares found in the original factory, plus newly made parts.

3) After the war, West Germany was prohibited from small arms manufacture under all but very limited and tightly controlled circumstances. Beginning in 1952 Walther contracted with Manufacture de Machines du Haut-Rhin (Manurhin), in Haut-Rhin, France to manufacture the PP and PPK. Under this agreement the forgings for the slides and frames were made in Ulm Germany, then shipped to Manurhin where they were milled, polished heat treated, blued and hen assembled using small parts made by Manurhin. The only Walther contribution was the forgings.

Haut-Rhin is in the Alsace region of France on the west bank of the upper Rhine and if you know your post-WWI history you knew it was German territory up to the end of WWI. Thus, the post war PP and PPKs were being made by French Germans rather than German Germans.

The post war Manurhin made PPs and PPKs were initially imported into the US from 1953 by Tholson Co. and from 1956 by Interarms. These firearms are marked on the right side of the slide with the Manurhin roll marked and Walther license information and roll marked on the left side with the importer's roll mark.

4) Once the restrictions on West German small arms production were lifted, production of the P-38 was moved back to the new Walther plant at Ulm after a few years, but PP and PPK production remained in Haut-Rin with Manurhin.

Walther once again started "making" PP and PPK pistols, however, the only difference between these "Walther" made pistols and the Manurhin made pistols is that Maunurhin shipped finished frames and small parts a long with not yet heat treated, roll marked, or blued slides to Walther in Ulm Germany. Walther then induction heat treated the slides, roll marked and blued them and assembled the pistol using the Manurhin finished frames and small parts. These pistols often have frames and slides where the bluing doesn't quite match.

These PP and PPK series pistols are considered to be "Walther" and "German" made because they were proof marked in Ulm Germany by Walther. The Manuhrin marked guns imported to the US were in the EXACT same box as Walther guns, and had the EXACT same manual (the pictures of Walther marked guns, had the Walther markings airbrushed off, and Manuhrin markings added). The guns are one and the same.

The PPK/S was a development of the PP and PPK using the short PPK slide on the PP frame in order to create a semi-auto pistol that was large enough to meet the import restrictions of the Gun Control Act of 1968.

In 1984, Manurhin started importing new pistols directly and they were marked Manurhin on the left side of the slide. In 1986 Walther discontinued it's arrangement with Walther and started making complete PP and PPK pistols. I can recall magazine ads during this period where both claimed to be the makers of "original" PP series pistols. For what it's worth Manuhrin made better pistols than the post 1986 all Walther made pistols, but Manurhin stopped production in 1986.

5) GCA 1968 meant the smaller PPK could not be legally imported, so Interarms was interested in developed licensed US production of PP series pistols. As a result of this, Interarms obtained a license to produce them in the US and contracted with Ranger Manufacturing in Gadsen Alabama which began production in 1979 with the pistols bearing Interams roll marks and distributed by Interarms.

Ranger made the PPK and PPK/S, and made the PPK/S in both blued and stainless steel and chambered in .380 ACP. They also produced pistols chambered in .32 ACP, but only from 1997 to 1999, so they are uncommon.

These were fully licensed Walther pistols and stayed true to the Walther drawings. These are very well made PP series pistols and the stainless steel version is a plus for a carry gun. This license agreement was discontinued in 1999 when Interarms closed it's doors.

6) Starting in 2002, Smith & Wesson started making a licensed version of the PPK and PPK/S in Houlton, ME and continued to make them until 2017. Unfortunately, S&W felt a need to make a number of changes. For example, they changed the grip frame with the result that most PP series grips won't fit, they lengthened the tang, which eliminated hammer bite for a few people, but made the pistol uncomfortable to carry in an IWB holster, and they changes the safety lever to a design that resulted in ADs and prompted a recall in 2009.

In my personal experience I had more reliability issues with the S&W PPK/S than I ever did with any of my Ranger made PPK/S pistols or my Manurhin made PP pistols.

7) In 2017 Walther Arms began producing the PPK and PPK/S at their new US manufacturing plant in Fort Smith, Arkansas. I have not encountered on of these in the wild, but my hope is that they reverted to the original design and deleted the S&W changes.


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Price wise:

A) the pre-war Walthers are where the collector interest lies and price depends on condition and the details of what it is, when it was made and how it's marked.

B) Despite being, objectively speaking, lower quality than the Manurhin marked pistols, the post war Walther pistols generally bring a bit more money ($100 or so) in the same condition. Snob appeal I guess. The Manurhin pistols will bring around $600 in excellent condition, with the less common pistols, such as a PP in .380 ACP rather than .32 ACP bringing another $100 or so.

C) The Ranger made pistols fall in the same category as the Manurhin made pistols and will probably bring a bit less than a post war Walther in the same condition. They'll bring $600 in excellent condition with box. The uncommon .32 ACP pistols will being $200-300 more however in excellent condition.

D) The S&W Walthers have their fans, but they are low man on the totem pole when it comes to rank ordering Walther pistols by maker. S&W should have left it alone rather than trying to make changes. Still in excellent condition you'll get $400-$500 for one.
 
Interesting about the Ranger .32 PPK/s ......... and their premium.

From following this thread; all stainless Interarm guns were Ranger made.....as it was posted that Walther never made any stainless guns .


What's the value of a really nice Interarms stanless PPK/s in .32 with 4 factory magazines.
 
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I think that you have to read him carefully. He says no MILITARY marked Walthers were marked prior to 1939. But various police and Nazi organizations DID mark such pistols in the 1930's. ??

He said that Tholson imported Manurhin guns. I think I recall that being Thalson, not Tholson. ?? A typo?

Now: the burning Walther question: was James Bond issued a Manurhin pistol or a WW II capture?

Bond got the gun in, Dr. No, which was published in 1958. And I saw a Manurhin-marked PPK on the cover of one of the Bond books. Probably what the artist or photographer found, but likely what Bond would have had. The British are a tight people, and Q Branch may have used some WW II guns. But by 1958, I think they'd have sprung for new ones.

Ian Fleming died in 1964, a victim of heavy smoking and drinking. I think he was only 56!

When were the first GERMAN-marked postwar PPK's made? Could Fleming have even seen one?
 
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Walther (Germany) had some improved PP-like guns made by FEG in Hungary. These eliminated the hammer bite from the recoiling slide in a much more elegant design than S&W used. Does anyone recall the model name? This was a WALTHER marketed gun, not the more common FEG made similar guns.

As for the PA -63, I used to know a lawyer in Budapest. I asked her to ask her dad what he thought of the PA-63, which he carried as a Hungarian officer. He said it was awful and that he couldn't hit a thing with it and that it kicked too much. Keep in mind that he was not a gun guy, the frame is aluminum, and that the gun was chambered in 9mm Makarov. This kicks more than a .380.
 
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Walther (Germany) had some improved PP-like guns made by FEG in Hungary. These eliminated the hammer bite from the recoiling slide in a much more elegant design than S&W used. Does anyone recall the model name? This was a WALTHER marketed gun, not the more common FEG made similar guns.

As for the PA -63, I used to know a lawyer in Budapest. I asked her to ask her dad what he thought of the PA-63, which he carried as a Hungarian officer. He said it was awful and that he couldn't hit a thing with it and that it kicked too much. Keep in mind that he was not a gun guy, the frame is aluminum, and that the gun was chambered in 9mm Makarov. This kicks more than a .380.

The Walam M48 was the first FEG copy of the PP. There are reports that these were imported and sold by Hege-Waffen of West Germany.

The AP-66 was also imported and sold by Hege-Waffen of West Germany.

Mauser also imported an FEG pistol for awhile, but I don't recall the model.

Manowar's Hungarian Weapons & History

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I like the steel frame FEG commercial PP and PPK/S style pistols a lot. The AP9S and APK9S pistols in 9mm Kurz (.380 ACP) and the AP7S and APK7S pistols in 7.65mmBrowning (.32 ACP) are well made and, when imported by Interarms, were very nicely finished.

Top to bottom:

FEG APK9S
Ranger made, Interarms PPK/S
FEG AP9S

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As you can see the grip frames and slides are slightly larger / heavier on the FEG pistols, as they were made to accommodate 9mm Makarov.
 
The American made Walthers from Interarms are not in high demand. I paid $450 for a PPK not too long ago.

Then I sent it off to get scratched up a bit.

PPK%20engraveds.jpg

My preference is for one of the Smith and Wesson versions since they extended the tang thus eliminating the Walther hammer bite that us folks with the bigger hands tend to experience.

BTW, There is no need for the longer grip frame /s if the firearm is manufactured in the US. That is why Interarms was able to re-introduce the PPK

If you don't mind me asking, how much did this work set you back ? Always been curious .
 
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