Pride and respect for our flag and country...

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I've lived a long time now, and I'm privileged to have personally toured many sacred battle sites here on U.S. soil. I've been to Manassas, Gettysburg, Vicksburg, Bunker Hill and other places where our forebears fought, spilled blood and died for our country. A number of my direct ancestors fought in the American Revolution, one of whom directly under George Washington. My great-grandfather fought in the Civil War for the Union. I had relatives in both WWI and WWII. My uncle served as an officer during WWII. My stepfather-in-law fought in both WWII and Korea. Two of my best friends lost their lives in Vietnam. I cried while rubbing their names at the Black Wall. I myself was an officer in the U.S. Army.

I was on my high school ROTC color guard which raised the flag every school morning. At the time that "To the colors" was played, all students, teachers and support people faced the flag, hands over their hearts, and remained silent and still until the flag was raised and the bugle call was completed.

What I'm trying to convey is that our Flag MEANS something to me, and when the National Anthem is played, I stand up, and I've earned the right as a veteran to salute while it's played.

At home as boy, my father taught me that whenever I heard the national anthem on radio or TV, I was to stand up and shut up.

To me, there is no conflict between freedom of speech and respect for our country. Both go hand in hand. But practicing one at the same time an enormous respect for the other is called for, but to me, is an obligation, well... now you know how I feel.

We have people serving in the Middle East right now, who have signed on the dotted line that they will give their lives, if necessary, to defend our way of life. A number of them come home in coffins draped with our precious flag.

I'm old and I remember all the sacrifices made by so many for our flag and country.

Here's a picture of my wife and me at Valley Forge. That is George Washington's headquarters in the background.

Please forgive me for sounding off. If you have differing opinions, I understand and I will respect that. You can even burn the flag if you want to. That's a right enshrined in the Constitution I swore to defend. But don't expect me to be thrilled if you do.

John

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As a Brit, I have always admired the respect you in the US show for your flag. I think it is rather special and quite wonderful. Here if you ran up the Union Flag, just because, rather than on a special day, you'd be thought a bit odd - though here in Wales, we do get a bit more freedom to fly the Red Dragon any time we like! I really can't and shouldn't comment on the whole take a knee thing, but as a general rule, I think politics and sport are two different things for a reason. I mean I wouldn't want Sam Warburton running the UK, and I sure as hell don't want Theresa May as captain of the Welsh Rugby team!

And obviously, no disrespect intended to anyone who feels differently (not about Sam Warburton!) let's agree to disagree.
 
My family came to the " new country " between 1600-1630 . His name is documented in the log book for that time period . His descendants fought under General Washington . My family has fought most every major war this country has been involved in . My son is a former Marine , enough said there .
My mother spent years and years doing genealogy , traveling back and forth across the country to document everything . I'm very proud of my heritage for what they fought , and died for to give me what I have today . I love the flag and this country . Those that are unhappy with it --LEAVE and never come back .
 
I have a somewhat unique perspective on the flag. I was born in England and delivered in an English hospital and issued a British birth certificate. Even though my dad was an American GI (44-66) upon entering the U.S., I was not declared a citizen.

Later I was allowed to serve in the Air Force including a trip to SEA. After my hitch was up, while possessing out, and after they cut up my ID card, a Major came over and handed me my discharge papers and a small American flag.

He said upon completion of my service, I was automatically granted US citizenship. The flag was from him personally. He thanked me for my service, welcomed me as a citizen and said to make my new country proud (which I have striven to do).

When I see an American flag I am moved as I really feel that I have earned a piece of it.

PS: I still have the flag that was given me.
 
I'm going to say this wrong but I am still going to say it.

I pretty much agree with the OP but I still believe people have the right to express themselves and the flag (which I believe they are disrespecting while expressing themselves) understands they have that right as well.

When I see folks taking a knee and hanging their head in prayer or shame when the flag is being honored I am reminded of the saying, "It is better to keep your mouth shut and let people wonder if you are a damned fool than to open it (or in this instance insult the flag) and remove all doubt."

It is not the flag that deserves their demonstations but rather the people who have disgraced this nation by their actions in their daily lives and in most cases wrapped themselves in the flag while doing their terrible actions.

I would like to think that while the flag understands their misguided actions it knows that because of the people who have died for the flag and defended the flag and what it stands for the flag must allow this foolishness to continue. It does weep for the fools however, I believe.
 
I've lived a long time now, and I'm privileged to have personally toured many sacred battle sites here on U.S. soil. I've been to Manassas, Gettysburg, Vicksburg, Bunker Hill and other places where our forebears fought, spilled blood and died for our country. A number of my direct ancestors fought in the American Revolution, one of whom directly under George Washington. My great-grandfather fought in the Civil War for the Union. I had relatives in both WWI and WWII. My uncle served as an officer during WWII. My stepfather-in-law fought in both WWII and Korea. Two of my best friends lost their lives in Vietnam. I cried while rubbing their names at the Black Wall. I myself was an officer in the U.S. Army.

I was on my high school ROTC color guard which raised the flag every school morning. At the time that "To the colors" was played, all students, teachers and support people faced the flag, hands over their hearts, and remained silent and still until the flag was raised and the bugle call was completed.

What I'm trying to convey is that our Flag MEANS something to me, and when the National Anthem is played, I stand up, and I've earned the right as a veteran to salute while it's played.

At home as boy, my father taught me that whenever I heard the national anthem on radio or TV, I was to stand up and shut up.

To me, there is no conflict between freedom of speech and respect for our country. Both go hand in hand. But practicing one at the same time an enormous respect for the other is called for, but to me, is an obligation, well... now you know how I feel.

We have people serving in the Middle East right now, who have signed on the dotted line that they will give their lives, if necessary, to defend our way of life. A number of them come home in coffins draped with our precious flag.

I'm old and I remember all the sacrifices made by so many for our flag and country.

Here's a picture of my wife and me at Valley Forge. That is George Washington's headquarters in the background.

Please forgive me for sounding off. If you have differing opinions, I understand and I will respect that. You can even burn the flag if you want to. That's a right enshrined in the Constitution I swore to defend. But don't expect me to be thrilled if you do.

John

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I'm with you 110%. At least one of my ancestors has served and/or fought for our country in every generation back to the American Revolution, including both sides in the Civil War. My eldest daughter continued this tradition when she served in the U.S. Navy. I have no time for anyone who disrespects our flag and country. I do understand the need to protest social injustice, but I think Kaepernick started barking up the wrong tree when he started this whole thing and included a hallowed tradition in it. I'm a rabid Miami Dolphins fan, or I was until I saw some of them taking a knee a few games into last season. Haven't watched a game since and I won't until these shenanigans come to a screeching halt.
 
I have no use or respect for these overpaid , spoiled , people who in no other country in the world could get filthy rich for playing a game . Most couldn't shine the boots of those who suffered and even died to allow them to leave the life they do. So many live their wealthy lives as a horrible example to our young people

The older I grow,the more difficult it gets to control my emotion when I hear the Anthem or see The Flag as I remember friends I lost in service.
 
You folks should be writing these thoughts to your local papers; start boycotts if you want the NFL to listen as it is only interested in money. It is a multi-billion dollar organization. Viewership is down, attendance is down, and yet the clowns do not see. I stopped watching it a few years ago; I find it boring. Give me a good Euro soccer match every time, or a good baseball game.
 
They are losers and need to be fired. If I pulled that at work that would be my last day. We hire Vets and the founder of our family owned business was a submariner. NFL NBA MLB need to real this in.
 
As a Scotsman now living in the United States of America, I found yesterday's actions disgusting. The flag and anthem mean so much to people, and to disrespect it in front of millions world wide was embarrassing.

This is 100% media driven IMO. Last year one QB took a knee as Ferguson burned to the ground. The NFL and fans did not approve and he now finds himself without a job. Now the media has flip flopped this and it's okay now to disrespect the anthem and flag. Let's see what happens when this trickles down to high school and college football. Things will turn really ugly.
 
Please forgive me for sounding off. If you have differing opinions, I understand and I will respect that. You can even burn the flag if you want to. That's a right enshrined in the Constitution I swore to defend. But don't expect me to be thrilled if you do.
I simply dismiss all of the SJW virtue signalling, ESPECIALLY from people who chase an inflated animal skin for a living. I don't care what they think about football, nevermind anything else.

I know history and what's actually proved important over the course of human history. Anybody who wants to know what REAL oppression is only needs to read these three books:

"The Rape of Nanking"
"Blood Lands"
"Harvest of Sorry"

The ignorant, infantile ravings of millionaire felons matter not one iota to me. If it weren't for the news, I'd never know about it anyway.
 
All I will say her is that I am quite happy that I am not a Sports Fan and never was. This way I feel as I am missing absolutely nothing, as I would boycott them profusely.

On the RARE occasion that I go to a Superbowl Party I don't even bother watching the game - more interested in chatting with friends and the food :) .
 
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