Primers

and if they are nickle plated it is worse. Nickel has hit $100,000 a metric ton. I would not stand on my feet all day in a explosion proof cubicle spreading highly volatile paste into primer cups for peanuts if there was other work around and right now there is plenty of other work.

As far as people not wanting to work in 2019 there were 157.54 million people employed in US Currently there are 159.82 million. 2.3 million more than 3 years ago.
 
cmj8591 said:
Diesel fuel is now up over 6$ a gallon. The country is about to go off a recession cliff. As much as I like to shoot and reload, my big worry is how am I going to heat my house and will food continue to be available in the quantities and varieties that I am used to. Primers? Not so much. I afraid we have a lot more discomfort to go through before things start to stabilize.
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You are not the only one to think this way.
 
steelslaver said:
and if they are nickle plated it is worse. Nickel has hit $100,000 a metric ton. I would not stand on my feet all day in a explosion proof cubicle spreading highly volatile paste into primer cups for peanuts if there was other work around and right now there is plenty of other work.

As far as people not wanting to work in 2019 there were 157.54 million people employed in US Currently there are 159.82 million. 2.3 million more than 3 years ago.
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I retired a year ago but before that I was never picky about what I did to earn my living. If I was physically able to do something and it payed a fair wage for the work I would be doing I did it. I don't believe the lack of help is the issue with the shortage and I'm pretty sure that making them now is less dangerous than it has been in the past. I don't think anyone is manually putting priming compound in the cups, machines do that I would imagine. The whole deal , lack of product and jacked up price is tied somehow to politics. Elections have either a positive or negative effect on anything gun related and this round we got the negative, plain and simple.

Yup, material cost as well as labor costs are up but not by 2-300 percent. Not to mention that banning the foreign made primers is a purely political and ineffective move in regards to anything other than screwing us over.
 
" Yup, material cost as well as labor costs are up but not by 2-300 percent. Not to mention that banning the foreign made primers is a purely political and ineffective move in regards to anything other than screwing us over."

Eliminating competition is never good for the consumer.
 
You know, I could almost say that this product crisis and gouging was related to the war, but it has been going on much longer than the unfortunate problems of the Ukrainians.

What the industry needs in more manufacturers, and I cannot believe that there are multi millionaires, that are not shooters and they do not see the opportunity here. The problem is brass, bullets, powder, primers, and assembled rounds.

You have to know that there are a limited numbers of players in this game, and my mind runs towards collusion. This is all too easy to get 6 guys in a room, create a shortage, raise prices, and gouge the shooting public. Then the distributors join in, and lastly the dealers.

I hate to say it, but nobody out there is your friend, even though they profess to be. Paranoid?? Not really. over 40 years in construction taught me the rules of this game.

Want this to stop? Stop buying product at stupid prices, and stop hoarding.

Just my .02
 
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Narragansett said:
You know, I could almost say that this product crisis and gouging was related to the war, but it has been going on much longer than the unfortunate problems of the Ukrainians.

What the industry needs in more manufacturers, and I cannot believe that there are multi millionaires, that are not shooters and they do not see the opportunity here. The problem is brass, bullets, powder, primers, and assembled rounds.

You have to know that there are a limited numbers of players in this game, and my mind runs towards collusion. This is all too easy to get 6 guys in a room, create a shortage, raise prices, and gouge the shooting public. Then the distributors join in, and lastly the dealers.

I hate to say it, but nobody out there is your friend, even though they profess to be. Paranoid?? Not really. over 40 years in construction taught me the rules of this game.

Want this to stop? Stop buying product a stupid prices, and stop hoarding.

Just my .02
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Yep. They can make all the heartfelt videos they want for their consumers, but more than 2 years in, I'm calling BS. I am willing to pay more for a product, but not 100-200% more. I reload infrequently enough that I would hold my nose and pay $80 for a brick of primers. That brick would last me a year or more. The issue is that there are none on shelves. It is all going to the big stores, who are all charging triple the old price or more. I'm not paying that, period.

Guess it's time to switch my goals to rimfire. I have probably 40,000 rounds. I am going to be doubling that in the next year.
 
kbm6893 said:
Guess it's time to switch my goals to rimfire. I have probably 40,000 rounds. I am going to be doubling that in the next year.
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Now you got that right. I have just as many and with local availability at reasonable prices I'll get more.

Its all supply and demand. WE are in control, but only if we TAKE control.
 
If I only had a time machine…

Back around Christmas 2018, I had been loading for a couple of years and was starting to increase my output substantially. I had been buying up primers from guys who had retired to Florida, usually to condos with no room to reload, and were giving up on reloading. I was running out of those primers and picked up an occasional brick from Bass Pro, but hated paying the higher prices plus tax. I had been sent out of town to work on a project that was scheduled for three consecutive weeks with me returning home on the weekends. As I normally do, I would scour the ads on armslist and Florida gun trader and I found a guy selling primers and reloading gear not far from where I was working. I went to visit him one day when I had finished work to see what he had. He had primers…lots and LOTS of primers! He was a retired LEO who was selling off the reloading inventory of his long time partner, who had passed away, on behalf of his partners widow. I can't begin to guess how many he had in total, but there was a step in closet with bi-fold doors and it was packed to the ceiling with cases of primers. I ended up buying eight cases over the course of three trips, along with a lot of powder, projectiles, tools, and assorted odds and ends. Along with a lot of freebies thrown in while I'd sit and have a beer with him and listen to some great LEO stories. I made three trips because funds were limited with Christmas approaching and I'd spend what I could when I had it. All the primers I bought were .02 each, $20/brick, $100/case. With no limit. Had I known then what I know now…man oh man, I'd have maxed out a couple of credit cards with cash advances or taken out a small loan! Where's Doc Brown when you need him?
 
I am retired and have been reloading for the last 20 years. I shoot around 100 rounds a week of 9mm and 45acp. Primers in Reno, like everywhere else are almost impossible to find. I was floored yesterday when I made the rounds of the gun stores that sell components and came across one that was selling small pistol primers for $20 a 100. After hitting all the stores and checking on line, I went back this morning and bought all they had. Scheels gets primers occasionally but you have to check every day at 10am to be lucky enough to get any. The won't tell you if they have anything over the phone. With gas at $5+ a gallon the 20 mile round trip every day gets more expensive than the primers! I have more time than I know what to do with so I reload and shoot. Reloading and shooting is still cheaper than going out for a few cocktails every day and better for you! I hate it but I'll keeping paying the going rate for components as long as I can find them.
 
The CCI website lists SPPs at $53.99 per 1000. SRPs $58.99. That's their suggested retail price, so anything above that is what someone is gouging you for. Of course, we can't buy primers directly from CCI, so if we want them, we gotta go to the gougers. My LGS would be selling them at a fair price, IF they could get them. But they haven't seen a single one since this mess started. The small businesses seem to be shut out of the loop. And thus the gouging.
 
dbell54 said:
The CCI website lists SPPs at $53.99 per 1000. SRPs $58.99. That's their suggested retail price, so anything above that is what someone is gouging you for. Of course, we can't buy primers directly from CCI, so if we want them, we gotta go to the gougers. My LGS would be selling them at a fair price, IF they could get them. But they haven't seen a single one since this mess started. The small businesses seem to be shut out of the loop. And thus the gouging.
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Exactly. The small shop isn't paying CCI the MSRP, so it's not like selling them at that price wouldn't be making them a profit. And I know a private business is free to charge what they want, but the problem is since they're not getting any in to sell, the conditions are perfect for gouging. And I'm not blaming hoarders for this situation. Can't hoard if there's nothing to hoard. There's way less product making it to market, and I don't believe for one minute that production has been ramped up and the two primer companies we have are working 24/7.

I don't know how Dillon, Hornady, Lee, and RCBS are selling anything right now. Only an idiot would invest in equipment if there are no components available.
 
kbm6893 said:
I don't believe for one minute that production has been ramped up and the two primer companies we have are working 24/7.
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No shortage on gb or at any show I've been to. Most aren't making it to the shelves, they're being intercepted. That, and federal contracts have gotten bigger, more going there too.

I agree about hoarders, those people should have enough to cave the floor joists in by now.
 
Dfish1247 said:
No shortage on gb or at any show I've been to. Most aren't making it to the shelves, they're being intercepted. That, and federal contracts have gotten bigger, more going there too.

I agree about hoarders, those people should have enough to cave the floor joists in by now.
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The ones on gunbroker and gun shows are more than likely people selling their own private stash from when the times were good and primers were cheap. Or people who own small businesses are actually getting some primers but they know they'll get much more money selling on gunbroker than they will in their shop, and they won't alienate their regular customers by selling them at the outrageous gunbroker price in their store.
 
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