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In case it's ever required, I want to be able to prove my lawful ownership of gun on the spot.

What I did to make sure I'm always prepared for this was to make a copy of my receipt (with serial #)along with My photo drivers license.
I then folded and rolled the copy up and stuck it in the fake buffer tube. Especially with the Butt Stock Pad I added, unless you removed The stock, you'd never know it was there.

But it would be pretty irrefutable proof it's yours, especially when you pull off the Butt Stock, open the compartment, and pull out your legal proof of ownership.

Just a thought.
 
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They can look the proof of ownership up if ever needed, it's not your problem, the serial number is on the rifle. If you bought it from an individual, a bill of sale is all that's needed.
 
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"Possession is 9/10th's of the law".

That said, for the other 10%, I have always hidden my name and DOB somewhere on most of my guns, usually on paper, under the but pad, or under a grip. Figure it may help top identify one if stolen. Smart thing these days is to keep a computer data base / print out of all your valuables, including serial numbers, along with pics, incase of theft or fire. Not everyone keeps receipts over the years, or even has one sometimes.

Larry
 
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It this day and age, proof of ownership of anything can by fabricated on a laptop and printed out, with ruffles and flourishes. I'm with the possession is 9/10ths camp here.
 
In the UK I take my license with photo ID and serial number, with me to the range whenever I travel with it, with no concealed carry permits or liberal gun ownership laws here in England, I can just imagine the fuss that would be ensue should some policeman/woman, ask to see what's in the bag and I pull out a M&P 15-22. haha. I even transport mine in a guitar bag, so as to not arouse any suspicions from anyone.
 
I have never had anyone ask to see proof of ownership for firearm/suppressor but it is in my 15-22 butt stock also. I still have the receipt of my first deer rifle purchased in 1975 from my brother's brother in law. Who would ask?? Probably no one , ever, having photo ID and receipt in butt stock would make it a short conversation and all one sided!! As for my undies- the wife puts a picture of her 45 with humanoid target that has been emasculated. Never Lost Them. Be Safe,
 
johncal said:
In case it's ever required, I want to be able to prove my lawful ownership of gun on the spot.

What I did to make sure I'm always prepared for this was to make a copy of my receipt (with serial #)along with My photo drivers license.
I then folded and rolled the copy up and stuck it in the fake buffer tube. Especially with the Butt Stock Pad I added, unless you removed The stock, you'd never know it was there.

But it would be pretty irrefutable proof it's yours, especially when you pull off the Butt Stock, open the compartment, and pull out your legal proof of ownership.

Just a thought.
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Not sure where you live, of even if you are in America.

But there is no requirement under American Laws to carry "Papers" to show the Government.

If you are doing something bad enough for Law Enforcement to get to the point they want proof of ownership, odds are you are being arrested anyway.
 
colt_saa said:
Actually, Federal Law does not require a bill of sale in a personal transaction between two individuals.

Some State laws might
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Yea but nice to have if the seller decides to call it in lost or stolen or latter it's found to have been stolen. I don't want to be accused of the dastardly deed. I don't trust anyone anymore.

Years ago you use to put your SSN on everything now with ID theft you don't want you SSN on anything. DL numbers now.

Most places if the firearm isn't recorded as stolen, if or when they check the number you really don't need proof.

Maybe you might want to seal the info in a water proof enclosure so if it get wet it's still readable.
 
For proof of ownership I scan a copy of the receipt and keep a copy of it on my hard drive. The paper receipt gets placed in the safe. I do keep a database with serial numbers and lots of other information, this file is encrypted and password protected, but can be accessed using my cell phone if needed.

In the fake buffer tube I keep a printed copy of the BATFE letter that states that my Slide Fire stock is perfectly legal. No one has ever wanted to see the letter, but shooting it sometimes means lots of questions.

I placed a discreet p-touch label on all of my firearms with my name and cell phone number, but the database with the serial number is the option that I would use to prove ownership if a dispute ever occurred. The paper original will hold up in court if it ever got to that point, but the real reason I keep the original information is if I ever need to file an insurance claim. I have pictures of each of my firearms to back up the condition of the guns.

One reason to carry some sort of way to prove ownership of your gun is if there are two otherwise identical guns at the range and someone gets confused about which one is theirs. Of course it is always possible that there is no confusion, rather the "other guy" is trying to switch his worn out gun for my gun that is in better shape.
 
johncal said:
In case it's ever required, I want to be able to prove my lawful ownership of gun on the spot.

What I did to make sure I'm always prepared for this was to make a copy of my receipt (with serial #)along with My photo drivers license.
I then folded and rolled the copy up and stuck it in the fake buffer tube. Especially with the Butt Stock Pad I added, unless you removed The stock, you'd never know it was there.

But it would be pretty irrefutable proof it's yours, especially when you pull off the Butt Stock, open the compartment, and pull out your legal proof of ownership.

Just a thought.
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That is just plain goofy. Anyone asking me to prove ownership, including a LEO, would be told three simple words.
 
johncal said:
In case it's ever required, I want to be able to prove my lawful ownership of gun on the spot.

What I did to make sure I'm always prepared for this was to make a copy of my receipt (with serial #)along with My photo drivers license.
I then folded and rolled the copy up and stuck it in the fake buffer tube. Especially with the Butt Stock Pad I added, unless you removed The stock, you'd never know it was there.

But it would be pretty irrefutable proof it's yours, especially when you pull off the Butt Stock, open the compartment, and pull out your legal proof of ownership.

Just a thought.
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My current plan is to settle this issue with my other gun . . .
 
In over forty years of firearms ownership and living in multiple states during that time, I have never been asked to prove ownership of a firearm.
 
OP, and this is a serious question, not sarcastic, are you new to gun ownership? Like Majorlk, I've shot and owned guns for 33 years and have never thought twice about something like this.
 
I've got a slightly different slant on this. Firearms I frequently take outside of my home I keep their description and serial numbers in my iPhone in case they are lost or stolen. Because my iPhone is backed up in the Cloud, I do not keep all my firearms listed there, but at another secure location.
 
Recording the serial numbers at home in a fire proof box should be good for any of us. In the USA.
NJ CA and some other Peoples Republics may vary.
Check the NRA site and the insurance information page.

We had claims after a fire and needed serial numbers and estimates for a pay off.

New and Enhanced insurance coverages through the NRA Endorsed Insurance Programs. Enroll on-line for Life, Health and Accident and Individual Property and Liability insurance or call Toll free 1-877-NRA-3006 (1-877-672-3006.) New Commercial Property Liability Insurance Program for NRA Affiliated Clubs and Business Alliance Members, visit on-line or call Toll Free 1-877-487-5407.
 
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