Proof of Ownership

[johncal]

OP, and this is a serious question, not sarcastic, are you new to gun ownership? Like Majorlk, I've shot and owned guns for 33 years and have never thought twice about something like this.

Not at all. I've owned a gun for 40 years. I was asked 1 time when I was stopped for speeding if I had a weapon in the car. I answered honestly that I did not. Whether or not he had the right to ask I dont care. I prefer to be prepared. If anybody else here doesnt want to do it, I really dont care. I only offered up what I did for those that might be concerned.

 

[photoracer]

In case it's ever required, I want to be able to prove my lawful ownership of gun on the spot.

What I did to make sure I'm always prepared for this was to make a copy of my receipt (with serial #)along with My photo drivers license.
I then folded and rolled the copy up and stuck it in the fake buffer tube. Especially with the Butt Stock Pad I added, unless you removed The stock, you'd never know it was there.

But it would be pretty irrefutable proof it's yours, especially when you pull off the Butt Stock, open the compartment, and pull out your legal proof of ownership.

Just a thought.

Are you really sure you want a photocopy of your DL in your rifle? If it was ever stolen they would have an instant means to identity theft.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I'm not sure I can prove I own my home in less than a couple weeks. Lighten up, Francis . . .

 

[Jerry N.]

So someone steals your gun and now they also have everything they need to steal your identity. I would not have my drivers license in the gun.

 

[johncal]

So someone steals your gun and now they also have everything they need to steal your identity. I would not have my drivers license in the gun.

Its a photo id with your face on it. Thats why it has your face on it. To prove its you. Not valid without looking at it. Im fine with my decision. But i appreciate the concerns.


Besides if they want to steal my face I'm ok with that. Maybe i could get an upgrade

 

[Majorlk]

I carry my DL on my person; why would I ever need a copy in the firearm somewhere to prove who I am?

How many ATF agents can dance on the head of a pin?

 

[686-380]

I too, use a database -

For proof of ownership I scan a copy of the receipt and keep a copy of it on my hard drive. The paper receipt gets placed in the safe. I do keep a database with serial numbers and lots of other information, this file is encrypted and password protected, but can be accessed using my cell phone if needed.

In the fake buffer tube I keep a printed copy of the BATFE letter that states that my Slide Fire stock is perfectly legal. No one has ever wanted to see the letter, but shooting it sometimes means lots of questions.

I placed a discreet p-touch label on all of my firearms with my name and cell phone number, but the database with the serial number is the option that I would use to prove ownership if a dispute ever occurred. The paper original will hold up in court if it ever got to that point, but the real reason I keep the original information is if I ever need to file an insurance claim. I have pictures of each of my firearms to back up the condition of the guns.

One reason to carry some sort of way to prove ownership of your gun is if there are two otherwise identical guns at the range and someone gets confused about which one is theirs. Of course it is always possible that there is no confusion, rather the "other guy" is trying to switch his worn out gun for my gun that is in better shape.

I also register my weapons with the manufacturer. I don't know if this would be of any help if one of my guns were somehow stolen. At least I have the warranty....

 

[fredg19]

I recently traveled from Kansas to Arizona passing through Tribal Indian land.

From what I have read when on tribal land pretty much they call the shots even when on a major highway. So "show me your papers" applies on tribal land since they make their own rules and laws.

I heard stories of guys getting pulled over by tribal police and they have a loaded gun in the car AND a conceal carry permit but the tribal police took possession of the gun anyway told the guy he could come to the station and provide proof of ownership and get it back. No loaded guns on tribal land period, even major highways passing through.

The gun was bought from a gun show private seller with no paperwork. He had no way to prove ownership and lost his gun.

I made sure to have copies of all my receipts for my guns while traveling and made sure to unload and lock up the gun and ammo in separate containers when traveling through tribal land even though I have a CCL that it good in all states that I was traveling through.

I read a few accounts of this which was enough for me to not take a chance, are the stories BS? Maybe, but I wanted to make sure I came home with all my guns. I did see a couple of people pulled over by tribal police going through Arizona.

 

[telero]

I have nothing to back this up, but...

As I understand it tribal land is still bound by Federal law, so shouldn't FOPA apply? As long as you are unloaded and locked out of reach (as defined in FOPA), there shouldn't be a problem. Loaded/concealed would be another issue.

 

[fredg19]

I have nothing to back this up, but...

As I understand it tribal land is still bound by Federal law, so shouldn't FOPA apply? As long as you are unloaded and locked out of reach (as defined in FOPA), there shouldn't be a problem. Loaded/concealed would be another issue.

I believe so... that is why I unloaded and locked up when passing through tribal land. It's the loaded gun in the car that gets the tribal police wound up and apparently they do not recognize or care about your CCL.

 

[MichiganScott]

There is no way I'm pulling over for tribal police because I'm not a tribal member. As long as I'm in my vehicle on a public right-of-way I have no reason to believe that they have any jurisdiction.

 

[pmosley]

There is no way I'm pulling over for tribal police because I'm not a tribal member. As long as I'm in my vehicle on a public right-of-way I have no reason to believe that they have any jurisdiction.

May want to give that decision more thought. Like many things in this life, all is not black and white.........
http://www.indiancountrynews.com/cr...in-power-to-arrest-non-indians-on-reservation


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[fredg19]

There is no way I'm pulling over for tribal police because I'm not a tribal member. As long as I'm in my vehicle on a public right-of-way I have no reason to believe that they have any jurisdiction.

And they will chase you down with the help of the local state troopers and put you in jail. I saw two different cars pulled over by tribal police on Highway 40 in Arizona or New Mexico I don't remember but the SUV was clearly marked as "Navajo Nation Police".

Do a Google image search for tribal police and see all the official vehicles.

 

[wbear]

In 1975 I was visiting my grandfathers farm in Ohio groundhog hunting. As I was commuting between hunting spots on I70 I was pulled over by an Ohio State Trooper.

He noticed that I had a large wooden gun case in the back seat, 20rd AR mags on the floorboard and ammo boxes on the front seat. He asked what I was doing and I explained the visit. He told me to slow down and watch it cause there were anti gun Troopers around who may not be so friendly.

At the time the OSP were known as the strictest in the nation and gave no quarter. Guess he took pity on me. If I had been made to show proof of ownership I would have been still in the slammer.

 

[Jerry N.]

Its a photo id with your face on it. Thats why it has your face on it. To prove its you. Not valid without looking at it. Im fine with my decision. But i appreciate the concerns.


Besides if they want to steal my face I'm ok with that. Maybe i could get an upgrade

Your original post said your photo driver's license. In Michigan, our name address and more important, birth date is on your license. That's enough to open accounts in your name.

As for your face, don't be so casual. I know someone who does facial recognition work for law enforcement. You'd be surprised how your picture can be used. Of course, that's way on the very unlikely side of things, but it does happen.

Be careful.

 

[gm272gs]

And here I am - out of popcorn - again!

 

[Muss Muggins]

There is no way I'm pulling over for tribal police because I'm not a tribal member. As long as I'm in my vehicle on a public right-of-way I have no reason to believe that they have any jurisdiction.

Good luck with that . . . .

 

[Majorlk]

There is no way I'm pulling over for tribal police because I'm not a tribal member. As long as I'm in my vehicle on a public right-of-way I have no reason to believe that they have any jurisdiction.

I hope you enjoy your stay in the tribal jail. On tribal lands the tribal police have ABSOLUTE jurisdiction.

As far as the Feds are concerned, these are independent, sovereign nations. Under certain circumstances, their laws supersede federal law. I would not bet that FOPA necessarily applies without verifying that first. It applies to NYS, but they routinely ignore it and arrest travelers quite often.

PS - Do you refuse to stop for a trooper in another state because you aren't a resident of that state?

 

[Majorlk]

And here I am - out of popcorn - again!

I have popcorn but no butter.

 

[CrazyFingers]

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It's from Wikipedia, so take it for what it is.